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Tough Spot in the $75 24k on FT. on Sunday. With 2 Tables Left

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  1. nadler nadler is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2010 (7/20/2010 10:21pm)

    This was with 14 or 15 left on the FT bubble. My image was pretty TAG and his was pretty LAG but not excessively loose.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #22427110773: $24,000 Guarantee (172946260), Table 52 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:51:33 ET - 2010/07/18
    Seat 1: rage4dorder (395,754)
    Seat 2: OCS (247,274)
    Seat 3: Jymaster11 (366,524)
    Seat 5: yoojunghoon (462,364)
    Seat 6: nadler (285,106)
    Seat 7: LOLdonkaments88 (534,866)
    Seat 8: NDIrish13 (294,596)
    rage4dorder antes 1,000
    OCS antes 1,000
    Jymaster11 antes 1,000
    yoojunghoon antes 1,000
    nadler antes 1,000
    LOLdonkaments88 antes 1,000
    NDIrish13 antes 1,000
    yoojunghoon posts the small blind of 5,000
    nadler posts the big blind of 10,000
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to nadler [Jh Ts]
    LOLdonkaments88 folds
    NDIrish13 folds
    rage4dorder raises to 20,000
    OCS folds
    Jymaster11 folds
    yoojunghoon folds
    nadler calls 10,000
    *** FLOP *** [9c Td 9h]
    nadler checks
    rage4dorder bets 30,000
    nadler calls 30,000
    *** TURN *** [9c Td 9h] [2d]
    nadler checks
    rage4dorder bets 60,000
    nadler calls 60,000
    *** RIVER *** [9c Td 9h 2d] [8h]
    nadler checks
    rage4dorder bets 232,000
    nadler has 15 seconds left to act

    xxxx??
    Edited By: nadler Jul 20th, 2010 at 10:59 PM
     
  2. GutShotBen GutShotBen is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2010 (7/20/2010 10:24pm) in reply to nadler

    i'm maybe too tight but i fold thoses preflop
     
  3. Ptrou Ptrou is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2010 (7/20/2010 10:36pm) in reply to GutShotBen

    If your calling on the turn then i presume you think your ahead the 8 doesnt change much. what are your thoughts on calling with J10 and playing the hand OOP?

    I would fold pre so that i didnt get in a big pot OOP
  4. coolhandkev coolhandkev is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2010 (7/20/2010 10:38pm) in reply to Ptrou

    I'm calling.
  5. Steve Murkle Steve Murkle is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2010 (7/20/2010 10:44pm) in reply to coolhandkev

    Guys, this seems like a pretty good spot, what range of hands is he triple barreling
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  6. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 12:16am) in reply to Steve Murkle

    i would fold those PF since its weird playing OOP. but his sizing on the river is too weird and his line doesnt make sense. he rarely has a nine. 22 most likely checks back the flop. 88 checks back the turn. QQ+ at some point slows down for some pot control. QJ adn 67 probably take the free card. id snap him off.
  7. nadler nadler is offline

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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 4:48pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

    thanks

    *** RIVER *** [9c Td 9h 2d] [8h]
    nadler checks
    rage4dorder bets 232,000
    nadler has 15 seconds left to act
    nadler calls 174,106, and is all in
    Uncalled bet of 57,894 returned to rage4dorder
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    rage4dorder shows [8d Ks] two pair, Nines and Eights
    nadler shows [Jh Ts] two pair, Tens and Nines
    nadler wins the pot (580,212) with two pair, Tens and Nines
     
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 5:04pm) in reply to nadler

    i think you might be being results oriented. Im not a big fan of how you played this hand unless he really is that big of a lagtard. But a good read/call nonetheless
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 5:05pm) in reply to nadler

    i fold or shove pre, based on dynamics at exact moment, not wild about the call pre, as played, after ur calling turn, river is def call. gg and nice score bro
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  10. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 5:51pm) in reply to the_dean22

     
    Originally Posted by the_dean22 View Post

    i fold or shove pre, based on dynamics at exact moment, not wild about the call pre, as played, after ur calling turn, river is def call. gg and nice score bro

    can't fathom how this is true. the 8 on the river completes QJ 's straight, also not to mention even a lot of lagtards don't triple barrel as a bluff very often




    oh, and what everyone else said...fold pre. are you noticing a trend here in your threads: you make a bad flat oop, then are lost on future streets when a good player puts pressure on you,a nd you're forced to guess and hope they're bluffing
    Edited By: Gags30 Jul 21st, 2010 at 05:52 PM
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 6:25pm) in reply to Gags30

    "don't play marginal hands out of position deep in a tournament." - stsitron

    nice score tho...and good to see you reside in milwaukee!
    Edited By: ImaBustYou Jul 21st, 2010 at 06:29 PM
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 6:28pm) in reply to ImaBustYou

     
    Originally Posted by ImaBustYou View Post

    "don't play marginal hands out of position deep in a tournament." - stsitron

    lol...i'm sure he was the first one to say this
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  13. Steve Murkle Steve Murkle is offline

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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 7:12pm) in reply to Gags30

    I really thought this thread would get good discussion and not be so focused on the play pre... This hand definetly deserves more love on the river... such as a discussion of what he shows up with and our calling range etc
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 7:16pm) in reply to Steve Murkle

     
    Originally Posted by Steve Murkle View Post

    I really thought this thread would get good discussion and not be so focused on the play pre... This hand definetly deserves more love on the river... such as a discussion of what he shows up with and our calling range etc


    i mean...op gave like 0 reads on the player other than 'he seems lag'. there is literally no way to range this player without knowing more about him. sure, people could give general ranges based on no reads...but then it's just a clear fold, and it's not even close.

    why don't you give us your input on the hand?
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 7:30pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post


    why don't you give us your input on the hand?

    No problem... I have a lot of thoughts on this river spot but they are probably not well put together. Hopefully some high stakes regs such as yourself can give some input after??...

    I'm mid session give me a little bit to get it out of me
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 8:23pm) in reply to Steve Murkle

     
    Originally Posted by Steve Murkle View Post

    I really thought this thread would get good discussion and not be so focused on the play pre... This hand definetly deserves more love on the river... such as a discussion of what he shows up with and our calling range etc


    gags said it right tho...the pre play is just getting u into confusing spots later on in the hand leaving u to a guessing game. so that's why ppl chime in and say "fold pre"...it was my first instinct when i saw the hand as well...i would have shoved/folded pre and never just called.

    gags, my reasoning for saying if ur calling turn/call river...is more due to the fact that after calling the turn we are left with like 17-18 bbs or so...at that point after calling flop and turn, im never folding with that stack behind knowing the villain is capable of bluffing ever. ( i don't love this logic, but it's what I would prob do had i played the hand same pre/flop/turn) and again i think this confusing spot is an example of why you should fold/shove pre with these particular stacks/player reads.
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 8:29pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    can't fathom how this is true. the 8 on the river completes QJ 's straight, also not to mention even a lot of lagtards don't triple barrel as a bluff very often

    oh, and what everyone else said...fold pre. are you noticing a trend here in your threads: you make a bad flat oop, then are lost on future streets when a good player puts pressure on you,a nd you're forced to guess and hope they're bluffing

    gags is 100% right.
     
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 8:46pm) in reply to dude904

     
    Originally Posted by dude904 View Post

    gags is 100% right.

    He always is
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    Jul 21st, 2010 (7/21/2010 9:26pm) in reply to Jymaster0011

    If you think you're good on the flop (why wouldn't you?) and good to call on the turn, why not get your chips in there? Flatting the turn puts you in a real tricky spot on the river as he's likely only triple-barreling with the goods, albeit not in this particular case.
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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 5:52am) in reply to Jymaster0011

     
    Originally Posted by Jymaster0011 View Post

    He always is

    Michael is a good player.
     
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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 5:54am) in reply to dude904

    Fold pre - not sure why you want to play J10os OOP.

    as played, I would have to call river.
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