Def think you have to find a fold button here. 10 10, QQ are both in his range but I think AA suits him best. You might be able to make him fold since he's a big proponent of folding bottom sets to wierd spewy shoves but no need to butt heads with CL if you're already taking down your fair share w/o having to show down (which it sounds like you are).

i have no history with frank so i have no idea what that overraise would mean

however, i would think you need to take control of the hand on the turn and raise or shove

You'll know when a pair isn't enough. Maybe only thing is has he seen you make big lay downs and knows you have enough chips to make another? I think the rainbow got you. You saw a rainbow, and no ace, so you underbet the pot, and he thought your AK missed, but his AQ hit the turn, and your weak bet on the flop (because of the rainbow) told him your flop bet was a CB. He could be on QQ, AQ, or TT, and if you bet the flop harder, you would know, imo.....

Actually, I just took another look, and it really looks much simpler. Opponent priced in on the BB and hit the two. With that much in pre-flop, and those stacks, I'm calling a 1.1 BB raise heads-up in the BB with any two. You don't think that's what happened?

 

Originally Posted by Pipes06

We beat QT there's basically no 2's in his range and I imagine he'd 3b most of his bigger pairs pre.

I'd call, call but not the happiest river call i've ever made.

How exactly do you exclude 2's from his range? A2s should be in his range right?

I basically sat there knowing there are no 2's in his range, and took 1010 out of his range as I honestly didn't think he would check raise top book on me.

The turn bet made me shit it, and i was contemplating whether he flatted me with AA or QQ pre, but i thought he'd 3bet me pre considering I raised UTG knowing i'm pretty strong here even when i was playing quite laggy. I know he's not bad enough to show AQ on me there, so the only thing i beat there is Q-10, and i highly doubt he has that either.

And ultimately it was fold the turn or stack off there. Can ANYONE find a fold here on the turn though?

Sigh. While playing with him, I know he's not bad enough to flat there with A2 or ANY 2 CARDS for that matter OOP to and UTG raise as you might. I put him on A-10 or K-10 after the check raise, but that went out the window once he bets the turn into me.

I wouldn't post this in the first place if I had 30BBs (as i'd obv ship it in on the turn), but with 50BBs + tangling with CL is it possible to find a fold on the turn?

and no he did not have A2. and no it IS NOT an easy fold.

No probs bro. I do appreciate your input though. GL

not sure if he would slowplay AA pre vs second in chips but w/e
i dont think he has TT, would he slow play them a decent % of the time otf, seems like AQ.QT or a randon bluff to me..
i think i call the turn and all rivers

 

Originally Posted by gjallen1975

How can you exclude ANY cards from his range on the BB and a 1.1 BB raise, with those stack sizes, and those blinds and antes. You wouldn't call any two in that spot? To win an MTT, you probably have to catch some flops, and better to catch them cheap when you can't be RR off them, with good stack sizes and a lot of dead money. I also rule out QQ completely. Would you call a 1.1 BB raise with QQ? I must get more in pre- with a QQ there.

Nope and neither should you.

get it all in on the turn
easy game

 

Originally Posted by JIMMYKIMMEL

I basically sat there knowing there are no 2's in his range, and took 1010 out of his range as I honestly didn't think he would check raise top book on me.

The turn bet made me shit it, and i was contemplating whether he flatted me with AA or QQ pre, but i thought he'd 3bet me pre considering I raised UTG knowing i'm pretty strong here even when i was playing quite laggy. I know he's not bad enough to show AQ on me there, so the only thing i beat there is Q-10, and i highly doubt he has that either.

And ultimately it was fold the turn or stack off there. Can ANYONE find a fold here on the turn though?

It's tough, but there are a million reasons to flat with AA and QQ here especially with your image. I highly believe he has AA here a good majority of the time and QQ here some of the time... Just the way he played it was funky and out of character enough to get me to fold and I don't fold enough...

 

Originally Posted by tcdmb36

I suck so this post might be irrelevant but help me a bit...why are we flatting his raise one the flop? Like why not raise it there instead of letting a scare card peal..i mean like i said it might be normal to extract value there

we have the type of hand that is either way ahead or way behind. and his raise is slightly polarized. when we raise he easily folds all his air and probably folds all his 1 pr hands (if hes raising those) and only continues with wat we are losing to and maybe JJ/QQ if hes flatting those pre ever.

there are barely any bad turn cards, and by flatting we allow him to fire again with air and possibly get another street of value from his TX hands and lower PPs and could be sexy if he makes 2 pr with a TX hand.

dont rly see getting anymore value from worse by reraising the flop, so best way to get value is to leave him room to hang himself

Thanks guys, this is by far one of my biggest leaks, i lost a shit ton of value at times by playing hands too fast. This was a perfect example of where I would have done so but I def see the logic in it all...thanks again

I don't see why 22-99 Are not in his range. He easily chk raises those just as easily as he chk raises air,A10,1010, and AA. It is possible he bets the turn with worse realizing you flat with 33-JJ, turning his marginal hand into a bluff and getting you to fold better/worse.

Thats why I call/call

i wouldnt discount A2s he probably doesnt call all the time w/ it but doubt he folds it all the time. TT seems perfect. doubt he raises flop w/ QT. he could have JJ b/f turn. QQ/AA seem remote. maybe hes just randomly decided to bluff. bout as close as it gets.

 

Originally Posted by Steve Murkle

I don't see why 22-99 Are not in his range. He easily chk raises those just as easily as he chk raises air,A10,1010, and AA. It is possible he bets the turn with worse realizing you flat with 33-JJ, turning his marginal hand into a bluff and getting you to fold better/worse.

Thats why I call/call

i would think he would be looking to play a small pot w/ those hands instead of bloating the pot.