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Tough spot with 99 (opinions plz)

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  1. JC 78 s00ted JC 78 s00ted is offline

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    Nov 26th, 2008 (11/26/2008 2:47pm)

    *********** # 1 **************
    <span id="lw_1227732346_1">pokerstars</span> Game #<span id="lw_1227732346_2">22387089514</span>: <span id="lw_1227732346_3">Tournament</span> #122500768, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2008/11/26 15:39:53 ET
    Table '122500768 349' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: gocu83 (2090 in chips)
    Seat 2: richard00025 (20469 in chips)
    Seat 3: ndillo (6261 in chips)
    Seat 4: WwCROSSwW (9875 in chips)
    Seat 5: Tousazimuts (4062 in chips)
    Seat 6: M_Grundmann (5898 in chips)
    Seat 7: N0b3L (3030 in chips)
    Seat 8: xBadHamsterx (10255 in chips)
    Seat 9: Lawesy (12447 in chips)
    gocu83: posts the ante 50
    richard00025: posts the ante 50
    ndillo: posts the ante 50
    WwCROSSwW: posts the ante 50
    Tousazimuts: posts the ante 50
    M_Grundmann: posts the ante 50
    N0b3L: posts the ante 50
    xBadHamsterx: posts the ante 50
    Lawesy: posts the ante 50
    M_Grundmann: posts small blind 300
    N0b3L: posts big blind 600
    *** <span id="lw_1227732346_4">HOLE CARDS</span> ***
    Dealt to WwCROSSwW [9s 9c]
    xBadHamsterx: raises 1200 to 1800
    Lawesy: folds
    gocu83: folds
    richard00025: folds
    ndillo: folds
    WwCROSSwW: raises 8025 to 9825 and is all-in
    Tousazimuts: folds
    M_Grundmann: folds
    N0b3L: folds
    xBadHamsterx: calls 8025
    *** FLOP *** [3c Ad 3h]
    *** TURN *** [3c Ad 3h] [Qc]
    *** RIVER *** [3c Ad 3h Qc] [Jh]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    xBadHamsterx: shows [Qh Ah] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
    WwCROSSwW: shows [9s 9c] (two pair, Nines and Threes)
    xBadHamsterx collected 21000 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 21000 | Rake 0
    Board [3c Ad 3h Qc Jh]
    Seat 1: gocu83 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: richard00025 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: ndillo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: WwCROSSwW showed [9s 9c] and lost with two pair, Nines and Threes
    Seat 5: Tousazimuts (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: M_Grundmann (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: N0b3L (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: xBadHamsterx showed [Qh Ah] and won (21000) with two pair, Aces and Queens
    Seat 9: Lawesy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. IBGrindin IBGrindin is offline

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    Nov 26th, 2008 (11/26/2008 3:05pm) in reply to JC 78 s00ted

    This is a tough spot. I find myself leaning towards a fold with no reads lately. villian is coming in utg with a 3x raise and 17bb. I just don't think he shows up with anything we dominate here enough to make this a profitable play.

    At best you are flipping, which you were, for your life and many times you are likely dominated.
     
  3. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2008 (11/28/2008 10:05am) in reply to JC 78 s00ted

    With no information to guide me, I move in here; if, as in this case, your opponent is foolish enough to stand a large reraise with suited AQ, he'll more than likely get broke himself.

    There are those who would argue that 99 should get mucked here, but I'd just as soon get myself a stack and take a run at that final table. Of course, if you use software which indicates that this player will only open with TT/suited AK or better, then you don't have anything. Against typical opponents, folding here is -EV.
  4. IBGrindin IBGrindin is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2008 (11/28/2008 12:50pm) in reply to hushpuckena

     
    Originally Posted by hushpuckena View Post

    With no information to guide me, I move in here; if, as in this case, your opponent is foolish enough to stand a large reraise with suited AQ, he'll more than likely get broke himself.

    There are those who would argue that 99 should get mucked here, but I'd just as soon get myself a stack and take a run at that final table. Of course, if you use software which indicates that this player will only open with TT/suited AK or better, then you don't have anything. Against typical opponents, folding here is -EV.

    With no info, you move in? Guy is raising utg with 17bb, and you just jam over that with very little fold equity?
     
  5. thefuture021 thefuture021 is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2008 (11/28/2008 1:34pm) in reply to JC 78 s00ted

    With no prior reads, this is a fold.
  6. keylow63 keylow63 is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 2:46pm) in reply to IBGrindin

     
    Originally Posted by IBGrindin View Post

     
    Originally Posted by hushpuckena View Post

    With no information to guide me, I move in here; if, as in this case, your opponent is foolish enough to stand a large reraise with suited AQ, he'll more than likely get broke himself.

    There are those who would argue that 99 should get mucked here, but I'd just as soon get myself a stack and take a run at that final table. Of course, if you use software which indicates that this player will only open with TT/suited AK or better, then you don't have anything. Against typical opponents, folding here is -EV.

    With no info, you move in? Guy is raising utg with 17bb, and you just jam over that with very little fold equity?

    I think this sums it up perfectly. I fold here
  7. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 7:02am) in reply to JC 78 s00ted

    In events such as this, I've often found players willing to raise it up with hands as weak as 66 or KJ offsuit; whilst I agree that there's no info on the opener, that particular situation is inevitable at times, and I would be willing to accept the risk.

    Merely cashing is unimportant to me- I'm after winning the big pot of gold(with selective aggression), as already stated.
  8. voo-doo voo-doo is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 4:05am) in reply to hushpuckena

    with the blinds at only 300/600 there is no point in pushing such a hand,with no read on villian why risk your mtt life with 99 to a utg raiser.

    I think you can pick a better situation to get your chips in than this.
  9. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 12:13pm) in reply to JC 78 s00ted

    I like Hushpuckena's advice here.

    First off, it's 8k more, and it's for UTG raisers whole stack. He isn't neccessarily looking to get called here, and could be somewhat weak (I've seen A10, KJ, 22, in these spots with unknowns). Also, your M isn't strong here. Sure, you can wait, but you aren't guaranteed to find anything better in the next 30 hands or so (and wait too long, and even if you double up, you won't be in a much better spot than you are now).

    Plus, this is a $10 game. Not every UTG raiser is really strong. More players than not fail to understand position in these games (and those that do usually know you should raise more from the button, not play very tight UTG). It's an unknown, I wouldn't credit them with knowing more here.

    It's tough that it's 99. Though I think he doesn't have to be strong, he might call you weak, and lot's of hands he should fold here (KJ, J10, A10), are hands that are flipping against you.

    If you are at a table where your sure you can steal blinds once to twice a rotation, then I'd say fold. If your not at such a spot, I don't mind pushing here.

    For what it's worth, I push over the top here, and if I'm Hamster, I call you here, and it plays out.
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