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Tough spot in Aussie Million's ME. Opinions please

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  1. theVisionary theVisionary is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 7:33pm)

    Its day 1, level 4 - Blinds are 150/300 with 25 ante. Tournament is 8 handed.

    I've been at my table for 2 hours, its very soft with most players playing passively, calling raises in the blinds then check folding the flop etc etc. I have been active preflop, opening a wide range, and I sense the table are beginning to catch on to this.

    Villain is a typical live player - loose, passive and bad. There is not much history, although i've taken down a couple of pots V him with C-bets after he defended his blinds.

    I have 22.5k, the villain has about 40k.

    Anyway, the hand

    I'm on cut-off with AcAd. I make it 775, BB calls.

    Flop: 8c9h4d

    BB checks, I bet 1400, BB calls

    Turn: Jh

    BB checks, I bet 2900, BB raises to 8k total.
    At this point I have 17.5K left. Whats the play??????????????
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  2. MuiMuiBueno MuiMuiBueno is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 7:54pm) in reply to theVisionary

    shove as he could be slowplaying KK/QQ as well and think he is ahead or have some sort of pair+str8 draw combo or simply be fed up as u had said
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 7:55pm) in reply to theVisionary

    mmm i think this is a fold versus "loose, passive and bad" player. it is baluga thereom - one pair no good to turn check raise from a non-thinking opponent. check call flop, check raise turn is such a standard 2pr/set line, esp from a live player.

    as much as i hate folding cos he may have JT, QQ-KK, i think he has you beat more often than not. leaving yourself with ~60bbs against live donks is not a bad thing.
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 7:56pm) in reply to theVisionary

    as played i prolly fold.. its tough bc you cant really put him on a hand.. you could be stone dead.. 17k it alot of chips at the 150 300 level.. but im a nit and prolly check the turn and then check call the river.. but thats me.. btw what were the startin stacks?
     
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 7:58pm) in reply to supreamdream

     
    Originally Posted by supreamdream View Post

    btw what were the startin stacks?

    20k
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  6. K0wb0ysup33 K0wb0ysup33 is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 8:49pm) in reply to djkelly69

    Seems so much like JT in that spot,but i would probably tank it for a little bit then muck it, maybe even show that you are capable of making that laydown...definately a tough spot as you said he had been c/f in this spot before.
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 9:47pm) in reply to K0wb0ysup33

    This is live... I snapfold. And I prly check turn for pot control as well
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 9:57pm) in reply to Annette_15

    Hate to cop out like this, but 100% agree with Annette.
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  9. MuiMuiBueno MuiMuiBueno is offline

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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 10:29pm) in reply to Crazyhorse76

    annette just curious, if u chek behind on turn what do u do if:
    1-lead into for 1/2-3/4 pot
    2-cheked to again
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 11:01pm) in reply to MuiMuiBueno

     
    Originally Posted by MuiMuiBueno View Post


    annette just curio us, if u chek behind on turn what do u do if:
    1-lead into for 1/2-3/4 pot
    2-cheked to again

    on wat rivers :-)? if you ask annete, what do you do on riverA) River B) river C) etc, i think it will help you get a more informative answer..GL!
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 11:08pm) in reply to rock3656

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by MuiMuiBueno View Post


    annette just curio us, if u chek behind on turn what do u do if:
    1-lead into for 1/2-3/4 pot
    2-cheked to again

    on wat rivers :-)? if you ask annete, what do you do on riverA) River B) river C) etc, i think it will help you get a more informative answer..GL!

    thx i guess i thought i was implying, i meant an innocuous river like something that doesnt affect straights etc like a 2, basically a safe river
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 12:21am) in reply to Annette_15

     
    Originally Posted by Annette_15 View Post

    I prly check turn for pot control as well

    At the time, and given that I'd been raising frequently and c-betting every flop, I still kinda felt that my hand was under rep'd enough to make a value bet on the turn. I also wanted to make combo draws, which I thought made a large part of his range, pay to see the river. If my turn bet gets called, obv i'm shutting down.

    Having reassessed, im starting to like the check on the turn. Pls keep all opinions coming. The results, and people's reactions, are quite interesting, i'll post them a bit later
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 2:19am) in reply to theVisionary

     
    Originally Posted by theVisionary View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Annette_15 View Post

    I prly check turn for pot control as well

    At the time, and given that I'd been raising frequently and c-betting every flop, I still kinda felt that my hand was under rep'd enough to make a value bet on the turn. I also wanted to make combo draws, which I thought made a large part of his range, pay to see the river. If my turn bet gets called, obv i'm shutting down.

    Having reassessed, im starting to like the check on the turn. Pls keep all opinions coming. The results, and people's reactions, are quite interesting, i'll post them a bit later

    i don't really understand why you would bet the turn for value, and then shutdown on what Im assuming your talking about is a safe riveR? or do you mean your shutting down/not calling another bet?
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 8:34am) in reply to rock3656

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by theVisionary View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Annette_15 View Post

    I prly check turn for pot control as well

    At the time, and given that I'd been raising frequently and c-betting every flop, I still kinda felt that my hand was under rep'd enough to make a value bet on the turn. I also wanted to make combo draws, which I thought made a large part of his range, pay to see the river. If my turn bet gets called, obv i'm shutting down.

    Having reassessed, im starting to like the check on the turn. Pls keep all opinions coming. The results, and people's reactions, are quite interesting, i'll post them a bit later

    i don't really understand why you would bet the turn for value, and then shutdown on what Im assuming your talking about is a safe riveR? or do you mean your shutting down/not calling another bet?

    I'm basically saying that, given how frequently i was raising and c-betting, I could bet the turn for value and be called by one pair/combo draw/straight draw. If I'm called on the turn, i'm not betting the river for value, and i'd probably fold to a river bet, because I didn't think the villian was capable of bluffing the river with a busted draw.
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 9:15am) in reply to Annette_15

     
    Originally Posted by Annette_15 View Post

    This is live... I snapfold. And I prly check turn for pot control as well

    As I was reading, this is exactly what I thought.
    1:Weak-passive live players don't re-raise you unless they hold something close to the nuts. Insta muck
    2: You should check behind on the turn. You don't want to create a monster pot with just 1 pair in such a heavy draw board.
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 12:32pm) in reply to MuiMuiBueno

     
    Originally Posted by MuiMuiBueno View Post

    shove as he could be slowplaying KK/QQ

    I dont think so.. i dont think many ppl wud get tricky with KK/QQ when quite deepstacked. its a small possibility but i wudnt include it as likely.

    checking turn is what appears to be the right line. You feel like a puss doing it, especially when you think you are ahead and there are draws on the board.

    However, betting the turn and getting reshoved is so ugly (hence the post).

    check turn, reassess the river. I call a bet if the river is a blank (2,3 etc..) if its a dangerous card, and he bets it you have to go with ur read, and as urs is that he plays abc and wudnt bluff a scare card, then let it go.

    recap, i fold turn as played, otherwise i check behind on turn, and reassess river.
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