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Tough spot deep stacked in 3r with AQ

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  1. trunkmonkee trunkmonkee is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 4:44pm)

    pokerstars Game #20020064616: Tournament #103653319, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2008/08/30 - 16:35:18 (ET)
    Table '103653319 342' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: lemoscutodio (11197 in chips)
    Seat 2: Gracefullspy (7455 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 3: ambala (3490 in chips)
    Seat 4: 08Celtics08 (84639 in chips)
    Seat 5: Igetbadbeatz (6643 in chips)
    Seat 6: Trunkmonkee (39306 in chips)
    Seat 7: dcoop4506 (10154 in chips)
    Seat 8: WSOPSeth (4962 in chips)
    Seat 9: AceBoog08 (10820 in chips)
    lemoscutodio: posts the ante 50
    Gracefullspy: posts the ante 50
    ambala: posts the ante 50
    08Celtics08: posts the ante 50
    Igetbadbeatz: posts the ante 50
    Trunkmonkee: posts the ante 50
    dcoop4506: posts the ante 50
    WSOPSeth: posts the ante 50
    AceBoog08: posts the ante 50
    Gracefullspy: posts small blind 200
    ambala: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Trunkmonkee [Ah Qc]
    08Celtics08: calls 400
    Igetbadbeatz: folds
    Trunkmonkee: raises 800 to 1200
    dcoop4506: folds
    WSOPSeth: folds
    AceBoog08: calls 1200
    lemoscutodio: folds
    Gracefullspy: folds
    ambala: folds
    08Celtics08: calls 800
    *** FLOP *** [3h 2c Qh]
    08Celtics08: checks
    Trunkmonkee: bets 2800
    AceBoog08: folds
    08Celtics08: raises 5200 to 8000
    Trunkmonkee: calls 5200
    *** TURN *** [3h 2c Qh] [Jd]
    08Celtics08: bets 10800
    Trunkmonkee: folds
    Uncalled bet (10800) returned to 08Celtics08
    08Celtics08 collected 20650 from pot
    08Celtics08: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 20650 | Rake 0
    Board [3h 2c Qh Jd]
    Seat 1: lemoscutodio (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Gracefullspy (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: ambala (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: 08Celtics08 collected (20650)
    Seat 5: Igetbadbeatz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Trunkmonkee folded on the Turn
    Seat 7: dcoop4506 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: WSOPSeth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: AceBoog08 folded on the Flop

    What do you do here? I feel like I misplayed this pretty badly because if I call the flop reraise I cant just fold for half pot on the turn with a J. As for my read I havent seen this guy come over the top and be super aggr yet but got to the table after he got his stack
  2. JLucky34 JLucky34 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 4:51pm) in reply to trunkmonkee

    I hate this fold. 3 bet flop/call shove plz and if he has 22/33/KK/AA then ul for you.
  3. kingcoleo kingcoleo is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 4:52pm) in reply to trunkmonkee

    What could he have...22 33? I seriously doubt it, im thinking he has a queen with a less kicker.

    I would put this guy on KQ by the limp utg then calling a raise in late position. If he had a flush draw I don't think he would be raising you that much out of pos. Either he has kq or some bullshit pp, you have the best hand here I think. If he has QJ which cannn be possible b/c its a 3 rebuy then you made a good fold but i doubt it.
  4. beck_AA beck_AA is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 4:56pm) in reply to kingcoleo

    fold the flop, or 3bet call, but raise 4-4.5x preflop.
     
  5. GRIMYOAF GRIMYOAF is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 5:03pm) in reply to beck_AA

     
    Originally Posted by beck_AA View Post

    fold the flop, or 3bet call, but raise 4-4.5x preflop.

    Bad advise!
  6. J_TheFuture_M J_TheFuture_M is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 5:03pm) in reply to trunkmonkee

    Raise more pre. And either fold the flop or get it in. With no reads I might just fold....maybe a weak play but if he's limping a worse Q then he is a bad player. But if you have no reads then you either have to guess...is he a good player or a bad one. Most likely a bad one. I still might fold though.
  7. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 5:05pm) in reply to trunkmonkee

    Calling on the flop is fine.

    Indeed a tough spot.
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  8. sobizzle21 sobizzle21 is offline Scammer

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 5:07pm) in reply to SCTrojans

    why call flop then fold turn? were u hoping to hit an a or q on the turn, seems pretty spewy to me...either fold to the reraise on the flop or ship it in
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  9. beck_AA beck_AA is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 5:11pm) in reply to GRIMYOAF

    ya sorry, should have been more specific, i mean either fold the flop, but dont call the flop and jus fold the turn(when a non scare card comes, aka a non hrt 4 5 or 6). If your gonna go with top top jus 3bet and call all in. Folding is defin. fine too tho, still 35K+ @ 2/400.
     
  10. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 5:36pm) in reply to sobizzle21

     
    Originally Posted by sobizzle21 View Post

    why call flop then fold turn? were u hoping to hit an a or q on the turn, seems pretty spewy to me...either fold to the reraise on the flop or ship it in

    Lots of players will bluff or semi bluff check raise flops and not bet turn. Your thought process would be fine if the villain was betting the turn 100% of the time.

    An Ace would probably be the worst turn card in the deck for his hand.

    I'm not a huge fan of putting in another raise on the flop because you get 100% of bluff check raises to fold and really only get action from 22, 33, and oddly played aces or something. You will get occasional action from bad players with QJ, KQ making thin flop value check raises (uncommon), but unless an Ace turns (worst card in the deck for your hand) you can get some of the value on the turn or river.

    Your turn decision is just based on your judgment as to the frequency your opponent will c/r this flop with QT-KQ (QJ now beats you keep in mind), the frequency your opponent c/r this flop with complete air, the freqency your opponent c/r this flop with heart draws.... and then the frequency he will bet all of these hand combinations on the turn.
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  11. RobJacobi RobJacobi is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 7:28pm) in reply to trunkmonkee

    get it in on the flop....hes prob got qk/qj/q10
     
  12. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 7:36pm) in reply to RobJacobi

    only thing in ur analysis i disagree with scott is that an A would be the worst turn card. Hell the dude could be makin a play with A4 for christ sake its the 3r. The A would also protect him from losing to KQ JQ type hands and also give him outs vs 22/33. I do agree that it would hurt getting action from JQ KQ QT but theres enough in the pot to where im happy to take the hand as is if an A turns. Care to elaborate/correct me?
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  13. frosty012 frosty012 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2008 (8/30/2008 7:41pm) in reply to trunkmonkee

    OMG SHOVE ON FLOP AFTER HE RR YOU! he's got 80k lmao he's obv playing a ton of hands and probably sucks there's no wayyyyy you're beat.......you let yourself get into a terrible spot on the turn because QJ is def in his range
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