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  1. prrrak prrrak is offline

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    Feb 10th, 2009 (2/10/2009 4:31pm)

    <span>pokerstars Seat #4 is the button

    Seat 1: Fortunus (350119 in chips)
    Seat 3: precisely19 (267596 in chips)
    Seat 4: Sharp.Info (1108408 in chips)
    Seat 5: prrrak4783 (774296 in chips)
    Seat 6: dhilton12 (829646 in chips)
    Seat 9: CrimeDoPAY (229385 in chips)

    prrrak4783: posts small blind 10000
    dhilton12: posts big blind 20000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to prrrak4783 [Qh Qd]

    Sharp.Info: raises 30000 to 50000
    prrrak4783: raises 114500 to 164500
    dhilton12: raises 235500 to 400000
    Sharp.Info: folds
    prrrak4783: raises 372296 to 772296 and is all-in
    dhilton12: calls 372296

    final table bubble of the 11+ on stars.
    the chipleader opens on the bu, i am in 3rd chip position and the bb is in 2nd place.
    after i 3bet the bu raise the bb 4bets without thinking a single second about it.
    my image is somewhat loose but i havent been 3 betting too much.
    the bb is a solid player at least from what i have seen him do.
    when he 4 bets that fast i am not too happy about the situation because i think he only does this with a very stronge range.if he had a hand like TT or JJ he would most likely have to think about it for a moment and consider the stack situation etc.
    i really doubt that in this kind of tournament players are tricky enough to know i might be 3 betting light and come over the top light.

    what do you guys think?
    is this maybe a spot were i can lay my hand down?</span>
  2. ImoOnTilt ImoOnTilt is offline

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    Feb 10th, 2009 (2/10/2009 9:47pm) in reply to prrrak

    If you don't think the player is that good, or good enough to make a play light in this situation you are up against AA, KK or AK. You'll have a big enough stack to keep putting pressure on smaller stacks if you fold. It is definitely a tough decision and unfortunate timing. On the other hand if you get it in and double up, your chances of winning the tournament increase greatly.
  3. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Feb 10th, 2009 (2/10/2009 11:09pm) in reply to prrrak

    whoa, bro.

    You're six handed QQ is an absolute monster. Button is opening any two, so you should be 3betting decently wide range.

    I don't think BB thinks too long with JJ and he snaps with AK too. TT likely a standard shove here. And I'm thinking AQs is a standard shove as well. AQo might be close. Obv we are discounting AQ significantly here, but for purposes of ranging the 4 bettor this is what would should be thinking about. I'd like to here some thoughts on that hand and any others that the BB should be 4bet shoving.

    Anyway, I would say that JJ, AK and possibly TT are in his four bet range, so this has to be a snap call/reshove. And as long as you can put those two hands in his range, you cannot fold this, esp nearing teh FT bubble.

    You mention his timing tell-you don't think he's thinking for a second with AA? and probably KK as well.

    Never put in 20% of ur stack with QQ and fold here. Please just don't do it.
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