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Tough Spot in FTP 1k vs PearlJammer

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  1. hattrick8810 hattrick8810 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:01pm)

    thoughts? comments?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10272728582: $1K Monday (75193936), Table 17 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:20:15 ET - 2009/01/26

    Seat 1: JCMags (1,590)

    Seat 2: mendel61 (5,700), is sitting out

    Seat 3: Jon Turner (4,935)

    Seat 4: topnoodle (5,885)

    Seat 5: hattrick8810 (2,510)

    Seat 6: YAGOTANYGUM (5,301)

    Seat 7: chico9286 (4,976)

    Seat 8: mikeroyale (9,715)

    Seat 9: crisbus (5,475)

    chico9286 posts the small blind of 50

    mikeroyale posts the big blind of 100

    The button is in seat #6

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to hattrick8810 [Kc Ks]

    crisbus folds

    JCMags has 15 seconds left to act

    JCMags folds

    mendel61 folds

    Jon Turner raises to 265

    topnoodle folds

    hattrick8810 calls 265

    YAGOTANYGUM folds

    chico9286 calls 215

    mikeroyale has 15 seconds left to act

    mikeroyale folds

    *** FLOP *** [7s 2s 5c]

    chico9286 checks

    Jon Turner checks

    hattrick8810 has 15 seconds left to act

    hattrick8810 bets 585

    chico9286 raises to 1,800

    Jon Turner has 15 seconds left to act

    Jon Turner raises to 4,670, and is all in

    mendel61 has returned

    hattrick8810 has 15 seconds left to act

    hattrick8810 has requested TIME
     
  2. SyphonSoul SyphonSoul is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:07pm) in reply to hattrick8810

    Wow,its a muck if youre "playing the player".All you could beat is AQ flush draw imo.
     
  3. MarkFSU1 MarkFSU1 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:08pm) in reply to hattrick8810

    hard to believe one of them doesnt have a set already and the other could very well be on the nut flush draw or some kind of over pair like urself including AA

    i fold...
     
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:11pm) in reply to hattrick8810

    stay away from the gingers
     
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:17pm) in reply to hattrick8810

    [ ]tough spot
    [x]fold
      

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  6. Micdiddy Micdiddy is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:26pm) in reply to hattrick8810

    Yeah i guess playing the player that's a fold unless you think he checked to try and get a cheap look at a flush draw? But then again, would he push the nut flush draw here or just fold it? Looks like a fold. If i was in your spot though I prob would have called and high fived the monitor then puked and said "F**** DONKEYS"
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:34pm) in reply to Micdiddy

    snap fizzold
     
  8. LitezOut LitezOut is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:40pm) in reply to anticure

    I know you'd like to pick up a big pot here, but just curious as to why no reraise from the c/o... with such a small raise, chico can be sitting with literally anything here (playing it setish) and now you have no clue where JT is.

    BTW, since I can't even win at the crappy club we play at (where have you been lately anyhow hat?) you can probably just disregard this whole thing.
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:40pm) in reply to anticure

    Your going to fold and leave yourself that many chips? Hmm I dont know. This is high stakes and all but no 3 Bet Pre?
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:40pm) in reply to hattrick8810

    u do realize hes folding aces here
     
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 10:44pm) in reply to anticure

    I think you are up against AsQs and an over pair to the board like QQ or JJ for Jordan. One of the reasons for your smooth call pre was to hide the strength of your hand. This would be the ideal flop for you.
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:01pm) in reply to anticure

    if he has 777 or AA so be it... im not folding,
  13. hattrick8810 hattrick8810 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:11pm) in reply to ficha19

    I'm obviously trying to set up a big pot with the flat preflop but also Jon knows I will do this so most of the time he's going to be carefull here. No reads on chico either. Just a really tough spot considering my stack size.

    I'll post results after some more replys
     
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:20pm) in reply to hattrick8810

    77 55 89ss (JJ QQ bottom of range)
     
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:22pm) in reply to hattrick8810

     
    Originally Posted by hattrick8810 View Post

    I'm obviously trying to set up a big pot with the flat preflop but also Jon knows I will do this so most of the time he's going to be carefull here. No reads on chico either. Just a really tough spot considering my stack size.

    I'll post results after some more replys

    If this is where your head is, el foldo, he's got ya. Still got 20BB's to pick a spot imo.
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:30pm) in reply to LitezOut

    i fold every time.....
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:35pm) in reply to ficha19

     
    Originally Posted by ficha19 View Post

    if he has 777 or AA so be it... im not folding,

    this is horrible.
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:43pm) in reply to siola

    if you played it like this pre. your gonna have to show some discipline and fold.
     
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:44pm) in reply to siola

    Im probably sticking it in here since you dont have a ton of chips and lotta flush draws and smaller pairs that could be out there. Just hit a king.
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:53pm) in reply to hattrick8810

    i call here....
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 11:54pm) in reply to hytop

    pros can tilt , and he obv doesnt have the nuts imo.
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    Jan 27th, 2009 (1/27/2009 12:05am) in reply to hattrick8810

    if you fold you leave yourself with 17bbs which is still workable..

    this is definitively a read based decision..if you had 500 less chips i say its a must call as played...

    not gonna go into your preflop play as i understand flatting with big pairs in position in higher buyins but i dont like your flat pre with your stack..you are vulnerable imo and need to maximize if in fact you are not up against AA pre
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    Jan 27th, 2009 (1/27/2009 1:02am) in reply to cmkpics

    Ok so I ended up tanking for a min and folded. Chico ended up folding as well and Jon won the hand. He later told me he had AA so it was a good fold results oriented.

    Its definitely player dependent here and I think Jon's range is pretty defined as 22 55 77 QQ-AA and Ax of spades. TT-JJ is marginal and I doubt he ever shoves those.

    I agree with cmkpics' analysis 100%. Any less chips and its a no brainer. 3 betting preflop might be the best play here but I tried to gamble it up and create a big pot. Def one of the toughest spots I have encountered in awhile.

    Thanks for all the responses.
     
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    Jan 27th, 2009 (1/27/2009 1:17am) in reply to hattrick8810

    And the sickest thing is you ended up getting away from the sickest cooler in NLHE as freakin' cheaply as possible.
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    Jan 27th, 2009 (1/27/2009 2:00am) in reply to LitezOut

    I would think Jon has overs and flush draw everytime here and go with it.
     
  26. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2009 (1/27/2009 2:06am) in reply to JasonGray

    i shove pre :/

    as played ugh idk prob isnt that bad to gamble and call the price u got is pretty solid and QQ can show up here from PJ.. is he really folding QQ on that board?
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    Jan 27th, 2009 (1/27/2009 2:16am) in reply to Micdiddy

     
    Originally Posted by Micdiddy View Post

    And the sickest thing is you ended up getting away from the sickest cooler in NLHE as freakin' cheaply as possible.

    Hell yeah man freakin kudos to Hattrick for getting away from it for cheap. As Phil Hellmuth would say, "Honey, I was supposed to go broke with this hand!"
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    Jan 27th, 2009 (1/27/2009 2:25am) in reply to hattrick8810

    he doesnt raise those cards. the bottom of his range here is 1010 the top is aa. you probably shoved, he probably showed aa or qq.

    imo the call here is retarded, this is still a stage where u wanna protect your hand and the villain isnt known to raise light so anything from a min-raise to a jam would be sufficient.

    ftr i dont read any posts before i reply so i prob look like a retard
     
  29. dmschec dmschec is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2009 (1/27/2009 3:04am) in reply to hattrick8810

    As played, fistpump snapfold.

    Call pre basically turns your hand face up anyway, you shouldnt be flatting there with your stack it is so suspiciuos I think you get max value by reraising preflop in this spot bc Jon knows you arent a retarded fish and your flatting range there is like KK or AA only.
     
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    Jan 27th, 2009 (1/27/2009 3:07am) in reply to JasonGray

     
    Originally Posted by JasonGray View Post

    I would think Jon has overs and flush draw everytime here and go with it.

    this, his check is really really good.
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