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Tough Spot in the FTP 40K

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  1. Yettiman Yettiman is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2008 (11/22/2008 3:43pm)

    Not sure of exact details but here is the gist of the hand. Blinds somewhere around 150-300, i have about 7500, a player badass player I know on the button with 4500, and a solid player in the BB with 8000. I have QQ in mid position and with no one in the pot I raise to 855. The tough player on the button just smooth calls, which already has me worried because this doesn't seem like a play this player tends to do. Action gets to the BB, who has us both covered, and he over-shoves all-in.

    Right away I'm more worried about the button player than the over-shover. I have a small range of hands to put the button player on to warrant a smooth call on the button. I'm thinking that he would raise with KK, JJ, or AK, and maybe even with 1010. He knows that I'm a solid player so he knows that I'm not going to be raising from mid-pos with a marginal hand. I'm thinking that it is possible that he just called with KK trying to trap if we see a flop, but AA is also definetely a possibility since he knows I will more than likely Cont. Bet on the flop.

    With the BB over-shove, I immediately put him on one of three hands. KK, JJ, or AK. We had been playing at the same table for the entire tourney and we seemed to play alike.

    What do some of you think about the proper way to play this in this spot?

    I'll see some responses then I'll let you know how the hand played out. It ended up being pretty sick for all three of us.
     
  2. Ugottook420 Ugottook420 is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2008 (11/22/2008 3:52pm) in reply to Yettiman

    I snaaaaaaaaaap call
     
  3. ApesAreFun ApesAreFun is offline Moderator/Euro Donk

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    Nov 22nd, 2008 (11/22/2008 3:54pm) in reply to Yettiman

    Shover: AK

    You and button: QQ
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  4. negativeROI negativeROI is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2008 (11/22/2008 4:08pm) in reply to Yettiman

    FTP is a complete sham...so im going to say with confidence that the button had either AA or KK, and the BB had either AA or KK. Fwiw I am not folding QQ there with that stack but im sure you had the worst of it.
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  5. Yettiman Yettiman is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2008 (11/22/2008 5:23pm) in reply to negativeROI

    I with I would have had a little more time to be able to think about this hand but my time bank ran out on me.

    I ended up folding my QQ. The button snap called and showed AK suited. The BB to my surprise had JJ. Here comes the flop, A K J. I was loving my fold at this point. Rag on the turn, then the Q on the river would have given me set over set over top two pair. I would have been sitting with about 15K if the button folds, which I'm sure he does if I fold. I try very hard to stay off tilt, but I never really recovered from that pot. I ended up getting a smaller stack of about 4K all-in to a button raise from the bb and was snap called by QJ and lost to J's. Doesn't matter now though.

    I really don't understand the overshove out of the BB with only JJ. Its not like I had been raising frequently or anything like that. I had really only showed down winners. With the overshove, you're trying to make it look weak right? That was my thought process I guess. I see a lot of players overshoving with huge pairs in order to make the other original raiser think they are weak and are just trying to squeeze. I guess I just though too highly of the BB player.

    With my stacksize the way it was, can I afford to fold there?
     
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