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tough spot with JJ...

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  1. shinerrr shinerrr is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 1:05pm)

    hey guys, been tormeted by this hand since yesterday so i had to make my first post, wondering what u guys would do here.

    Seat 3: bigdogpckt5s (130,000)
    Seat 5: shiner87 (114,853)
    Seat 6: lazarus2 (96,168)
    Seat 8: mikedb (42,979)
    bigdogpckt5s antes 400
    shiner87 antes 400
    lazarus2 antes 400
    mikedb antes 400
    mikedb posts the small blind of 1,500
    bigdogpckt5s posts the big blind of 3,000
    ***HOLE CARDS***
    Dealt to shiner87 [Jh Jd]
    shiner87 raises to 8,100
    lazarus2 raises to 27,000
    mikedb folds
    bigdogpckt5s raises to 129,600 and is all in
    shiner87 ???????

    I had been playing pretty aggressively and had been repopping a lot, lazarus also repoped me about 3 hands before and i folded. I wasnt too worried about him but bigdogs all in shows a hell of a lot of strength. So call or fold??
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  2. cliff819 cliff819 is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 1:07pm) in reply to shinerrr

    Need a little more info, but on the surface looks like an easy fold.
     
  3. TimeForPT TimeForPT is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 1:12pm) in reply to shinerrr

    This is auto fold, the only hands you would ever be calling with here are AA and KK. You pop it up, reraise, rereraise, folding leaves you with a decent stack and we hope lazarus2 calls and is either gone from the tournament or cripples a bigger stack.
  4. Jack_Ace75 Jack_Ace75 is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 1:15pm) in reply to TimeForPT

    agree with PT - def auto fold...Jacks would be cracked for sure unless you flop a set....only call in this spot are with KK and AA thats it. you raised, there was a re-raise and then an all in...not worth it at this point.
  5. teeJdee teeJdee is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 1:16pm) in reply to TimeForPT

    click autofold buddy. best case scenario you're up against an OP and AK.
  6. shinerrr shinerrr is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 1:19pm) in reply to TimeForPT

    yeah dog is a strong player and i thought the same and folded, i asked him what he had after though and he said 1010, guess thats why it bugged me a bit, thanks for the reply.
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  7. Arobinson11 Arobinson11 is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 1:24pm) in reply to shinerrr

    Im not sure if this is an auto fold four handed... I think I would have folded as well, but JJ is very very strong 4 handed. I think its a very close decision.
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  8. tekiller tekiller is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 1:36pm) in reply to Arobinson11

    jj is a coinflip in this situation bout half the time big dog is eeasily capable pushing aq ak in this spot if hes noticed u raise button repops and u run so his range could be widened 1010 i would say bout 15% of the time and the rest is aa kk qq or total air which is possible but against this player in this spot jj is muckable even four handed but damn but one thing to look at in this hand where a call could be smart is if u do put him on a wide range callin with the dead money in pot would makes a race more valuablecuz you would take true control of the table
  9. RiverRejas RiverRejas is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 1:41pm) in reply to tekiller

    bigdonkpckt5s has AQ, so its an insta fold because he runs g00t, flop AJQ turn A river 2
  10. eugeneius eugeneius is offline

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    Jan 3rd, 2007 (1/3/2007 2:17pm) in reply to shinerrr

    Here you have to consider a lot of factors before making a decision. Would lazarus reraise you again, a relatively small amount, for a chance to steal? Does bigdog give you little credit because you are so agressive and puts lazarus on a steal, shoving to pick up dead money with a mediocre hand such as KQ, AJ, AQ, AK or small pocket pairs? Do you want to win this tourney disregaridng a chance of being eliminated earlier or want to last as long as possible, avoiding perplexing confrontations and then try to win it from a short stack position with less chances?

    After considering the above you should ask yourself: What is the most profitable move for me?

    My interpretation is that even though you raised UTG, lazarus tried a steal with a normal reraise because he thinks he can get away with this one (the one he repopped he might've had a hand), of course he can be playing KK QQ AA the same way but that's not likely. bigdog might be hard to read at this point; he might have you pinned on a semi-strong hand such as JJ or AQ AK and be playing a monster hand strongly. But I believe the latter isn't likely either, he would play AQ AK, med pockets, and maybe even AJ (considering there's only 4 ppl) the exact same way. I would put bigdog on a medpocket or AK/AQ here and would call considering there's a substantial amount of dead money in the pot (and way higher chance of JJ being slightly favorite or big favorite, than a big underdog). Considering that, I would call here because 4 handed it's hard to see monster hands and because usually experienced people will try to trap rather than make the obvious raise with monsters, even more so short-handed.
  11. bigdogpckt5s bigdogpckt5s is offline

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    Jan 4th, 2007 (1/4/2007 1:11am) in reply to shinerrr

    I said 10 10 at the table to maybe envoke some tilt or get a loose call later on. I had the rockets here so feel good about your laydown. I remember the hand and i had the byulllletttssss You played well I remember taking exstensive notes on you.
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