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Tough Spot MiniFtops $100, thoughts pls.

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  1. StormForce 7 StormForce 7 is offline

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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 2:54am)

    Anyway i could have played this better? Different line on the turn maybe? Had only been at the table 14 hands so not much by way of reads. Both very deep at start of hand. All thoughts appreciated thanks.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #19298556054: MiniFTOPS Event #12 (128337675), Table 191 - 1700/3400 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:41:19 ET - 2010/03/16
    Seat 1: twowayfar (74,391)
    Seat 2: valgen02 (129,191)
    Seat 3: Unbiased (111,174)
    Seat 4: RatzFatz82 (29,482)
    Seat 5: Bullet2TheChest (296,573)
    Seat 6: BRUJISMO (191,571)
    Seat 7: buzinas (373,836)
    Seat 8: 21 Royal Gun (63,730)
    Seat 9: aptand (110,245)
    twowayfar antes 400
    valgen02 antes 400
    Unbiased antes 400
    RatzFatz82 antes 400
    Bullet2TheChest antes 400
    BRUJISMO antes 400
    buzinas antes 400
    21 Royal Gun antes 400
    aptand antes 400
    RatzFatz82 posts the small blind of 1,700
    Bullet2TheChest posts the big blind of 3,400
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Bullet2TheChest [Jh Jc]
    BRUJISMO has 15 seconds left to act
    BRUJISMO has requested TIME
    BRUJISMO raises to 7,500
    buzinas folds
    21 Royal Gun folds
    aptand folds
    twowayfar folds
    valgen02 folds
    Unbiased has 15 seconds left to act
    Unbiased folds
    RatzFatz82 folds
    Bullet2TheChest has 15 seconds left to act
    Bullet2TheChest raises to 24,250
    BRUJISMO calls 16,750
    *** FLOP *** [3d 4s 4d]
    Bullet2TheChest has 15 seconds left to act
    Bullet2TheChest bets 31,250
    BRUJISMO has 15 seconds left to act
    BRUJISMO calls 31,250
    *** TURN *** [3d 4s 4d] [9c]
    Bullet2TheChest has 15 seconds left to act
    Bullet2TheChest bets 76,250
    BRUJISMO raises to 135,671, and is all in
    Bullet2TheChest calls 59,421
    BRUJISMO shows [As Ad]
    Bullet2TheChest shows [Jh Jc]
    Bullet2TheChest: nh
    *** RIVER *** [3d 4s 4d 9c] [5d]
    BRUJISMO shows two pair, Aces and Fours
    Bullet2TheChest shows two pair, Jacks and Fours
    BRUJISMO wins the pot (387,642) with two pair, Aces and Fours
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 387,642 | Rake 0
    Board: [3d 4s 4d 9c 5d]
    Seat 1: twowayfar folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: valgen02 folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: Unbiased (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: RatzFatz82 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Bullet2TheChest (big blind) showed [Jh Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fours
    Seat 6: BRUJISMO showed [As Ad] and won (387,642) with two pair, Aces and Fours
    Seat 7: buzinas folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: 21 Royal Gun folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: aptand folded before the Flop
     
  2. Shrubbery Shrubbery is offline

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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 3:09am) in reply to StormForce 7

    flat pre
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  3. rainmanrcp rainmanrcp is offline

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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 3:23am) in reply to Shrubbery

    3 bet smaller, check turn
  4. Cmoney3 Cmoney3 is offline

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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 3:56am) in reply to Shrubbery

     
    Originally Posted by AwesomeO View Post


    flat pre

    truth
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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 10:59am) in reply to Shrubbery

     
    Originally Posted by AwesomeO View Post

    flat pre

    Okay...but if said player flats pre, isn't the outcome most probably the same. Are we going to be able to get away for JJ on this board? So if we check the flop with intent to reraise, and then get reshoved, is that fold that easy?
    edit: if we bet flop won't AA be raising? even with a check on turn, won't we probably be calling? If AA then values the river we're still probably calling? Isn't this just more or less a cooler?
    EDIT edit: didn't see how deep we really are here...so...by flatting I suppose we just lose quite a bit less chips? Are we still calling all streets?
  6. winkie23 winkie23 is offline

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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 11:07am) in reply to StormForce 7

    This is a tough spot. I think you have to flat pre given he's an EP raiser and stack sizes. Maybe check the turn for pot control, but you do have the diamond draw to worry about...probably check/call the turn. Check/fold the river? I dunno, that seems kinda weak, but really what are you beating by the river? not much

    FWIW I'm a micro donk for now until I build my BR, so that's how I'd play my stakes, though I did take a shot to play in this and the play was generally asstastic. Busted all in pre to some spewtard's A 10> 10 10.
  7. Albert Chuns Albert Chuns is offline

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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 12:19pm) in reply to StormForce 7

    Defintly Flat pre! Because if he jams on ur 3-bet then what are u going to do??(fold) your so deep that set minning for the least amount instead of commiting ur self to the hand. But since u raised out of positionit kinda puts u in a weird spot when he flats the 3-bet.
     
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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 4:41pm) in reply to StormForce 7

    I don't mind the 3 bet here but I'm slowing down on the turn. Sure he could be chasing diamonds but controlling the pot here when you're this deep stacked is crucial... If he bets the turn hard, what can you really beat? He knows you are the big stack so why would he just be messing around? I know there was idiots all over in this tourney b/c I played it but you got to figure this guy has an idea what he's doing and unfortunately gotta muck and wait for a better spot.
  9. StormForce 7 StormForce 7 is offline

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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 9:44pm) in reply to crtierney

    Yeah, the flat of the reraise pre opened up his range more in my mind at the time, including mid pairs and suited big aces and and his smooth of the flop bet didnt do much to disaude me from that line of thinking. I knew a slow played big pair was a posibilty but when the turn didnt hit any flush draws and only let nines get there against me i felt checking was too weak. On reflection i think flatting pre would have been a better line over all given how deep we were, certainly would have lost less overall. Everyday's a school day.
     
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  10. winnie2002 winnie2002 is offline

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    Mar 16th, 2010 (3/16/2010 11:36pm) in reply to StormForce 7

    Flat pre.

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