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Tough Spot for QQ. What to do on the flop?

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  1. luthers son luthers son is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 1:14am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10144401593: The Fifty-Fifty (75951027), Table 3 - 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:19:20 ET - 2009/01/20
    Seat 1: kjs125 (14,934)
    Seat 2: JayC82 (22,961)
    Seat 3: Marsall1121 (15,076)
    Seat 4: Benemie (14,706)
    Seat 5: makavelyces (53,800)
    Seat 6: RANKA (23,624)
    Seat 7: xAlyssa (17,885)
    Seat 8: Sabres91 (22,796)
    Seat 9: tcrizzle (28,180)
    kjs125 antes 150
    JayC82 antes 150
    Marsall1121 antes 150
    Benemie antes 150
    makavelyces antes 150
    RANKA antes 150
    xAlyssa antes 150
    Sabres91 antes 150
    tcrizzle antes 150
    kjs125 posts the small blind of 600
    JayC82 posts the big blind of 1,200
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Benemie [Qh Qd]
    Marsall1121 folds
    Benemie raises to 3,000
    makavelyces calls 3,000
    RANKA folds
    xAlyssa folds
    Sabres91 folds
    tcrizzle has 15 seconds left to act
    tcrizzle folds
    kjs125 folds
    JayC82 folds
    *** FLOP *** [2s Ks 6c]
    Benemie has 15 seconds left to act
    Benemie ?
  2. LAE777 LAE777 is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 4:29am) in reply to luthers son

    I hate these spots...Any c-bet pretty much commits you. I feel like by betting (keeping in mind your stack size), your mostly gettin called by better hands..Why not check with the intention of check raising all-in? This is very read dependent though. It gives your big stacked opponent a chance to bet lesser hands. Or he could check behind thus deciding your move on the turn. I am interested in what some of the ranked players have to say bout this...
  3. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 9:07am) in reply to luthers son

    You started short stacked with 12bb's, so you PTW. I'm somewhat surprised the money wasn't in pre-flop.

    Pot is 9200, so you only have one PSB. If you were up against AK pre-flop, he would have probably raised (90% of the time). Rule out AK. Now the flop looks pretty good since its relatively dry. You didn't give us your read on the play of makavelyces so any advice is coming from pure speculation. He could have a wide range since he just called.

    The flop is somewhat safe, so you bet 1/2 PSB and call a push or just put it all-in.
  4. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 12:25pm) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

     
    Originally Posted by MYBLUEDOG View Post

    You started short stacked with 12bb's, so you PTW. I'm somewhat surprised the money wasn't in pre-flop.

    That ^

    12BBs, an unopend pot, and a PR in paint - auto shove pre :)

    my 2 cents
  5. asujake asujake is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 12:27pm) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    think about what hands he is flatting you there with, AA and KK, maybe KQ or KJ if he is a spewy player, so these are the only few hands that have you beat, maybe a set but if he called trying to hit a set just know that he wasnt getting odds to call pre anyways so it is bad on his part....i will still get it in on this flop so i say bet committing youself and he will prolly call with TT a lot of the time
     
  6. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 12:37pm) in reply to asujake

     
    Originally Posted by asujake View Post

    think about what hands he is flatting you there with, AA and KK, maybe KQ or KJ if he is a spewy player, so these are the only few hands that have you beat, maybe a set but if he called trying to hit a set just know that he wasnt getting odds to call pre anyways so it is bad on his part....i will still get it in on this flop so i say bet committing youself and he will prolly call with TT a lot of the time

    You really think his range is that tight with a monster stack & getting 2:1 to see a flop in position? Sure he has to know we have a monster - we just put in 1/4 of a short stack OOP that can only really be a monster - I say he has us on KK+, maybe QQ+ - sure we can run ito AA/KK but I just don't see him flatting those - he knows we are commited here, he'll just move on in over the top to isolate a huge % of the time. I think he'll show up with crackers here quite often - something like 87s taking a flyer off a monster stack to break a player.

    my 2 cents
  7. Son of 51 LIMA Son of 51 LIMA is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2009 (1/23/2009 2:29pm) in reply to saukendar

    I think this is a pretty easy spot actually.

    When you have QQ and less than 12 BB's, you are going to get it all in no matter what comes down.

    That K shouldn't scare you, push it in, if his has a K, then that is just unlucky. You don't have enough chips to fold here.
  8. srooney3 srooney3 is offline

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    Jan 23rd, 2009 (1/23/2009 3:40pm) in reply to Son of 51 LIMA

     
    Originally Posted by Son of 51 LIMA View Post

    I think this is a pretty easy spot actually.

    When you have QQ and less than 12 BB's, you are going to get it all in no matter what comes down.

    That K shouldn't scare you, push it in, if his has a K, then that is just unlucky. You don't have enough chips to fold here.

    ^^
  9. BrianComeaux BrianComeaux is offline

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    Jan 24th, 2009 (1/24/2009 9:24pm) in reply to srooney3

    less than 12 BB,
    3500 in the pot before the flop.

    Preflop shove every time with that hand
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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 7:39pm) in reply to luthers son

    shove preflop, bottom line. thanks for posting
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    Jan 29th, 2009 (1/29/2009 6:28pm) in reply to luthers son

    If you shove here, only a K or set will call. Put in 1/3 of your remaining stack to induce a bluff. He should either fold or push. You call a shove, but at least there's a chance he doesn't have it
  12. Cactus Jack 44 Cactus Jack 44 is offline

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    Jan 30th, 2009 (1/30/2009 1:13pm) in reply to luthers son

    This isn't really that tough if you think about it. Ask yourself if you would fold this hand to any bet. If not, then there's your answer.

    The right play was to push in pre-flop. 12BBs - 3100 in the pot when action came to you with 14000. Shove it, thin the field using your fold equity and hopefully get everyone to fold.

    As played, I don't see how you can get away from the hand. In fact, a shove may even get paid off by a spade draw and any pair from 77 to JJ - Even AQ or AJ.

    Then, when 98s calls and that 3rd spade hits the river, cuss out Full Tilt.

    Cactus
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    Feb 3rd, 2009 (2/3/2009 3:36pm) in reply to luthers son

    shove pre all day
  14. elgordo420 elgordo420 is offline

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    Feb 4th, 2009 (2/4/2009 4:18am) in reply to nowapowa

    THink about the hands he is flat calling you there with a 40bb stack, he is raising you preflop with aa kk ak aq so you can take those out. The only hands that worry me here is like some time of kj kq suited so just cbet and call shove. THat makes up for not betting more pre.That is just my thinkin...
     
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