fold>call(evaluate turn)>shove

Seems like an easy fold at first...but is he really raising with 33 or 66 on that flop, just seems so dry and that he'd wanna keep you around with those hands.

Also b/c u gna post later streets I assume u called, and u always make the right decision, so I say call here and reeval.

this spot rly sucks...you pretty much flop gin and you don't even really like your hand when ur check raised...This is a spot where I'm either folding, or calling and getting it in on the turn...against randoms I almost always call and get it in on the turn, but against a skilled thinking player like dirtyriver, its prob a fold, which rly rly sucks. Now, if the flop were draw heavy, I get it in right there on the flop..

it's never too early anymore.....

<span>*** TURN *** [Qs 6h 3c] [Ah]</span>

<span>D1rtyR1v3r has 15 seconds left to act</span>

<span>D1rtyR1v3r bets 780</span>
<span>Kochan ??????
</span>

well u clearly can't fold now, as u weren't calling in hopes of him shutting down

now the question is, call and let him bluff the river, or get it in now...I don't expect him to shove the river if he misses his 45 draw/is on air, becasue I think hes good enough to know you'll never be calling 2 streets and folding the river on this board. So, i just shove here.

<span>*** TURN *** [Qs 6h 3c] [Ah]</span>

<span>D1rtyR1v3r has 15 seconds left to act</span>

<span>D1rtyR1v3r bets 780</span>

<span>Kochan calls 780</span>

<span>*** RIVER *** [Qs 6h 3c Ah] [9d]</span>

<span>D1rtyR1v3r has 15 seconds left to act</span>

<span>D1rtyR1v3r bets 1,700, and is all in</span>

<span>Kochan calls 1,420, and is all in</span>

<span>Uncalled bet of 280 returned to D1rtyR1v3r</span>

<span>*** SHOW DOWN ***</span>

<span>D1rtyR1v3r shows [Jh Kh] Ace King high</span>

<span>Kochan shows [Ac Qd] two pair, Aces and Queens</span>

<span>Kochan wins the pot (5,690) with two pair, Aces and Queens</span>

 

Originally Posted by JBT449

I thin<span>k this is an easy fold on the flop, unless you guys have some crazy history I don't </span><span>know about</span>. Really dry flop dont see anything you're ahead of this early vs D1rty. I would say there is zero chance<span> he</span> is doing this with <span>a queen you beat. I would imagine 66 or 33 more times than anything else.</span>

Really?! Against what seems like a continuation bet on a Q-rag-rag board?!

I don't know anything about this guy's play style, but I think you guys are crazy personally. I mean fold ... are you kidding me?

I'm calling 99 out of 100 times and can't believe the majority of posters are suggesting to fold ... (and yet the average player would be getting it all in with Q2 or TT on this flop ...)

I agree though that there isn't much point in reraising. You'd be scaring away his worse hands and getting it in against him when he has a set.

Maybe I'm just not advanced enough to know that TPTK is never good here ...

 

Originally Posted by frosty012

or maybe you just saw the results...

before i saw the results i still wouldn't fold here although you played it better than I would have because my first thought was to shove the flop but of course after thinknig more about it it makes more sense to let him bluff into you

Yes, you're so right. I waited for the results to be posted so I could know not to fold TPTK after being reraised on a completely safe flop after I made what look to be a continuation bet. All to try and impress guys like you with 0 results in their profiles by showing that I could make the BONE HEADED OBVIOUS PLAY. You caught me.

 

Originally Posted by Kochan

u are def not good here with AQ 99/100....

am i ahead of him > 50/100 i dont even think i am

LOL. Then why did you call?

By the way I didn't say you'd be ahead of him 99/100 times. I said I'm calling 99/100 times. Basically I'm pretty damn sure I have his range beat.

Why would anyone assume he's playing a set so hard with no draws on the board against what could easily be a continuation bet with an AT type hand? You guys are seeing monsters lurking in every shadow. Doesn't mean they're there.

Anyone who has played with Dirtyriver before should not be shocked by the results of this hand. OP played this hand absolutely perfectly. WP.

Edit: Not saying DR's play is bad here (tho I think he can safely check/fold the river because hes prob not folding after calling the turn). And normally while I'd say it's prob not the best idea to double barrel w/ his image, he's pretty much forced to bet the turn when the A comes and he actually picks up equity in the pot. But yeah, he coulda saved 1700 on the river.

wow u really reraise here with almost any pair and good Qs ....hope to see u at some of my tables early on then

why is raising with KQ/QJ the standard play?

hmmm interesting... I mean yeah I stand by saying that D1rty should not be showing up with a lower queen here ever. Like I said earlier what value would he be getting from kq qj etc. without any crazy history between them. As far as him having kj off for the complete bluff this early I'm pretty surprised, but not as surprised as I would be if it was a lower queen. Despite the results, I still stand by what I said earlier in that AQ is almost never good here vs. a good thinking player this early, especially if the player is playing a ton of tables.

 

Originally Posted by MikeyRy

the fact that he's a tricky thinking player makes it all the more likely that you're good here w/ AQ, imo.

As was mentioned earlier, i think he's basically raising the flop since our c-bet looks incredibly standard for this dry board, he picks up equity and a decent card to bluff on the turn so barrels again, and on the river he gets a little carried away and ships it.

most players dont usually risk 2800 to win a pot worth 350ish this earlie (which the pot was when he started his bluff)

hence why its so sick he showed up with a bluff here.