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Tough spot y/n? wwyd here?

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  1. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Mar 18th, 2011 (3/18/2011 9:02pm)

    Open shove 12bb utg villian is a UB profitable reg, utg1 villian seemed liked he knew what he was doing, only 99 games played on UB. Obv this hand goes to showdown. 15 dollar buy in, blinds going up in 3 min and I am 27bbs deep here. Is the flat strong or weak in most cases? wwyd?

    Stage #615224775 Tourney ID 6060328 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 300 - 2011-03-18 15:37:01 (ET)
    Table: 3 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - IPUSHW8 (5,723 in chips)
    Seat 2 - ZZZZZZZZZZZ_ (8,185 in chips)
    Seat 3 - MONKER71 (3,745 in chips)
    Seat 4 - HUNTINGONZO (14,936 in chips)
    Seat 5 - IFOLDIFOLD (6,789 in chips)
    Seat 6 - ZNICHKA (6,100 in chips)
    Seat 7 - NNEEIILL (6,987 in chips)
    Seat 8 - UUUWOWMAGIC (15,463 in chips)
    Seat 9 - CURTDUKE (2,471 in chips)
    IPUSHW8 - Ante 25
    ZZZZZZZZZZZ_ - Ante 25
    MONKER71 - Ante 25
    HUNTINGONZO - Ante 25
    IFOLDIFOLD - Ante 25
    ZNICHKA - Ante 25
    NNEEIILL - Ante 25
    UUUWOWMAGIC - Ante 25
    CURTDUKE - Ante 25
    IPUSHW8 - Posts small blind 150
    ZZZZZZZZZZZ_ - Posts big blind 300
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to ZZZZZZZZZZZ_ [10c 10d]
    MONKER71 - All-In(Raise) 3,720 to 3,720
    HUNTINGONZO - Calls 3,720
    IFOLDIFOLD - Folds
    ZNICHKA - Folds
    NNEEIILL - Folds
    UUUWOWMAGIC - Folds
    CURTDUKE - Folds
    IPUSHW8 - Folds
    ZZZZZZZZZZZ_ - ?????
     
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    Mar 18th, 2011 (3/18/2011 9:10pm) in reply to Pick6man

    I think considering the stack sizing...and especially the utg + 1 callers (~50bb)...we can probably slightly widen the calling range of the big stack compared to normal. I would range him as probably 77/AJs + (compared to maybe something like 99/AQ+ if he had a smaller stack???) so overshoving behind here is never "bad" imo. I think an important point here is how soft you think the table is....if its pretty cruisy progress and you feel you have an edge on the table then by all means a fold here isn't terrible as we still have enough play to pick other spots. However i think considering stack sizes i am more in favour of getting it in here to try and chip up big and look to become a major threat. Its pretty close but i think we can find the big stack making a marginal call quite a lot of the time here where 1010 can play pretty well.
     
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    Mar 18th, 2011 (3/18/2011 10:35pm) in reply to Picasso 2

    anyone else? trivial fold? or trivial jam?
     
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  4. ShipThisPLZ ShipThisPLZ is offline

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    Mar 18th, 2011 (3/18/2011 10:49pm) in reply to Pick6man

    I fold here alot, the flatter can be flatting a monster here alot of the time and even if he isnt, the shover can definitely have you beat here. I think shover is going allin with whole range here including AA & KK alot of the time. Even against overcards(if both have), thats alot of outs you have to fade and I think I can find a better spot than this one. Would like to hear what others have to say.
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    Mar 19th, 2011 (3/19/2011 1:25am) in reply to ShipThisPLZ

    I think a fold is good considering you may be a coin flip at best or facing an overpair.
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    Mar 20th, 2011 (3/20/2011 3:10am) in reply to paddypump

    I guess it is a fold then. Was hoping for some more responses. Just was not clear to me at the time. 1.5 to 1 and even against some wider ranges against both I could not get the 40% needed. Just wondering who gambles here.
     
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    Mar 20th, 2011 (3/20/2011 3:27am) in reply to Pick6man

    pic.... put me on the fence.

    Where were we in the tourny here? ITM? pre - money? Deep? That would affect my decision.

    It really depends on whether i have seen that Flatter do ANYTHING that seemed not solid before this. Or whether he had ever flatted anything else big. Also, how quick did he call - was it think? or snap? If he snapped that gives the edge to shoving here... I don't think anyone snap flats a monster - they'd think for a second.

    I agree that his range is wider than normal given stacks here and him having the tabler covered except for one guy... but i doubt he is ever doing this with a lower pair than yours unless he is actually retarded.

    Essentially, if you think he's competent, you fold. If he has spewed at all light or has any retard bones than I''m looking for a reason to ship.

    What was your GUT as soon as you saw it?
     
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