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  1. mkb1mkb1 mkb1mkb1 is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 2:53pm)

    I've been playing tournaments for a year - sngs, mtts and turbos. The time has come where I feel I would like to play cash games as I am getting a little bored of tournaments plus the fact you need a good 4hours if you want to cash in an mtt.

    So what I'm basically asking for is any advice or articles which can help improve my cash game play. I have read the stratergy articles on here. I aim to play $0.5 / $1 at first with a roll of just over $1k. I will drop down / move up levels as I need to.

    Just need to know what the main difference is to playing cash games as apose to playing tournaments (use position more effectively?, be more creative?). I'll still play tournaments but not relying on them to build my roll, I will use them merely as a recreational chill out tool!

    Any help greatly appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Mark
  2. Wastelands Wastelands is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 2:57pm) in reply to mkb1mkb1

    $1000 is a bit low for NL100. You probably want $2000 or more for that. If you want to start with $1000 BR, start at NL50 and work your way up.

    Good luck, cash is fun, play 6-max.

    *edit* I was assuming you meant NL ring, if that's not the case, $1000 is enough easily for $0.50/$1 limit play.
  3. Realbigfish4 Realbigfish4 is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 2:58pm) in reply to mkb1mkb1

    all you need to know is "dont chase what you cant catch"

    srsly though i would start at 1/2 with that br but thats just me. theres a couple of key things to remember in cash games as well:

    1. you can always rebuy
    2. on avg players a worse than in tourneys
    3. seeing a flop with a samll pair out of postion is a must
    4. you can always rebuy
  4. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 2:59pm) in reply to mkb1mkb1

    I suck at cash games, so I think the skill sets are different.

    Basically, cash games are different because the blinds never go up. You always have a deep stack, so it's like the very early stretches of an MTT the entire time. So, you can play speculative hands, etc. The trick is to make sure you have patience and play within yourself. One major mistake will kill you in cash games, so you have to avoid those.

    Also, in tournaments, you play various parts of the tournament, and your goal is to stay ahead of the rising blinds. Cash games it's just to slowly extract money out of your opponents.
  5. l[dip]l l[dip]l is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:02pm) in reply to mkb1mkb1

    Drop down to 50NL or even 25NL untill you feel comfortable, and stay at 50NL untill you have 20 buyins for 100NL.

    Hands like AK/AQ become far less important, and position is key - far more streets to be played when you have a stack > 20-30bb. (For me) there is more +EV playing 86s in position than AKs/o UTG or from the blinds.

    Got to work - so cant post more.
  6. Realbigfish4 Realbigfish4 is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:03pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    "One major mistake will kill you in cash games, so you have to avoid those."

    are you a complete idiot? did you need see points 1 and 4 in my post... if you make a "major mistake" in a cash game you rebuy and win your monies back, you make a major mistake in a tourney your out... get a clue then get back to me
  7. l[dip]l l[dip]l is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:06pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    I dont think he means in one specific hand - if you have a leak in your game you will get raped (by me). It is far more important to fix a hole in a cash game player's game than a tournament player's game.

    If you have a major leak - you bust, you rebuy, you dont "win your monies back" you lose it again! (again to me)
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:06pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    Sound advice.
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:18pm) in reply to l[dip]l

    jesus your post made me hawt dip
  10. l[dip]l l[dip]l is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:19pm) in reply to Ring

    Im afraid it is not sound advice.

    "srsly though i would start at 1/2 with that br" - Dont call people idiots if you haven't got a clue about good bankroll management. Any (decent) BRM article you read will tell you that you need ~20buyins.
  11. Realbigfish4 Realbigfish4 is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:23pm) in reply to l[dip]l

    BRM is a myth. As long as you feel comfy playing at a level who cares how many buy-ins you have. Anyone can beat variance...
  12. l[dip]l l[dip]l is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:24pm) in reply to MiamiNole

    you like getting raped.... j/k
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:27pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    you should excuse yourself from this thread
  14. mkb1mkb1 mkb1mkb1 is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:28pm) in reply to l[dip]l

    Thanks guys quality posts. I have played at $0.25 / $0.50 the last two nights, trippled up on my first night so that was nice! I know about position etc and raising with alot more speculative hands in cash games. I've noticed the play is very weak at the $0.25 / $0.50 level and I can pick off alot of blinds. e.g. I raised otb with 45os the other night 1 caller after the raise, ace flopped and I got a straight on the river and obv put him on a decent Ace and stacked him, he then moaned about me raising with 45 blah blah blah, so hands like that I'm looking to get - obv play with caution. But in cash games (and poker in general) position is key.

    Anyway think I'll carry on with the $0.25 / $0.50 levels. This will help my tournament play aswell as I believe more 'poker' is played in cash games.

    ty and gl
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:29pm) in reply to l[dip]l

    if you have "leak in your game" you wont just bust in cash games, you'll bust in tourneys the same way and should stop playing all together till you figure out the "leak" and rap some duck tape around it
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:29pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    Seriously you are not a good player if this is what you think.

    Ok you say:

    "As long as you feel comfy playing at a level who cares how many buy-ins you have."

    So according to you if I have a 1K BR but am comfortable playing 1000NL I can sit in and play and beat varience. At some point in my session I get delt AA - Im on the button. A thight player raises to $40 from UTG, it is folded to you. You raise it up to $120, SB folds, BB folds, UTG shoves all in for $1k... Do you fold??? AA will lose 20% of the time - HOW CAN I BEAT VARIANCE? (please explain...)
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:30pm) in reply to l[dip]l

    seriously. explain it.
  18. DexterCain DexterCain is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:30pm) in reply to l[dip]l

    just make sure that when you call it's part of the 80% of the time that AA wins.
  19. l[dip]l l[dip]l is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:34pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    AK87:

    "The reason poker is so profitable for many is because of the greatest and worst thing in this world, ignorance. Now keep in mind, everyone in the world is ignorant, anyone who denies this fact is probably more ignorant. I like to attribute the condescending batter cash game players give towards tourney players as their hate of their ignorance. Cash game players are in fact that, less ignorant about the game of poker. What ahh_snap said was completely right in that in order to be successful at cash games over a long period, you CAN NOT have holes in your games. Many successful tournament players have huge fundamental leaks in their games, ie. implied odds, stack control, bet sizing, pot control. The reason for this is because tournament players have to do a lot less thinking in their thought processes during a hand. For tournament players, you mainly deal with hand ranges preflop and maybe on the flop. Late in a normal structured online tourney, all hand ranges are basically dealt with preflop. When a hand range can be explained by "any 2," or "any pair, broadway cards," etc, it is evident to see how easy tournaments are perceived. The early stages are not necessarily like this, but you don't need much skill to make it to the level of a tournament where you can be stupid aggressive and kind of make up for all the leaks in your game."

    AK87 is a smart guy.
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:43pm) in reply to l[dip]l

    you cant fold there... he most likely has KK or QQ and your a 82% fav... hell he might even have AK soooooted making you a 87% fav... sure hope he doesnt hit
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:45pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    so you actually are serious with your posts in this thread?
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:48pm) in reply to DexterCain

    im always serious... im not a cash game player myself... the only time i ever play cash games is when i get home from the bar hammered and donk off some monies, but i dont believe in br management in tourneys either.. i play low stakes untill i cash for a decent amount then i take the winnings and play a larger tourney if i dont cash i play some more small stakes tourneys i dont wait till i have 100 buy-ins at a level or anything... poker is gambling so i gamble
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:50pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    So the consistant way to beat varience is to "hope he doesnt hit"?

    Right..........
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 3:57pm) in reply to l[dip]l

    if you put yourself in situations of 80% or better win variance isnt that much of an issue... can you lose? yes... will you lose? yes 20% of the time... the only time you should be worried about variance is when your getting yourself in a lot of 60/40 situations which you can avoid if your a good player.. the odds of you having to worry about the 80/20 variance situation is only 1 in like 400
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 4:13pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    "80/20 variance situation is only 1 in like 400"

    I LOL'ed.
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 4:16pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    AA vs KK isnt dealt 1 in like 400? hell its probably worse than that since AA is only dealt 1 in 220
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 4:17pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    hahahaha
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 4:17pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    lol wtf are you talking about?
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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 4:18pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    so your saying AA isnt dealt only 1 in 220 hands?
  30. DexterCain DexterCain is offline

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    May 10th, 2007 (5/10/2007 4:20pm) in reply to Realbigfish4

    so you're saying AA vs 22-QQ isn't 80/20. As well as 99 vs 22-88... do you see where I'm going with this?
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