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Tricky position with QQ

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  1. andrew1263 andrew1263 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 6:57am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #14169671669: $8,500 Guarantee (104195125), Table 39 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:43:38 ET - 2009/08/21
    Seat 1: Damo099 (18,850)
    Seat 2: Skeeterart (3,870)
    Seat 3: Moukoko (17,650)
    Seat 4: EDUB4 (7,671), is sitting out
    Seat 5: RAZZTEZZ (3,232)
    Seat 6: DeweyTheChicken (4,285)
    Seat 7: scarface211 (9,240)
    Seat 8: Andrew1263 (7,090)
    Seat 9: Niceone10 (5,960)
    scarface211 posts the small blind of 100
    Andrew1263 posts the big blind of 200
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Andrew1263 [Qs Qc]
    Niceone10 raises to 600
    Damo099 folds
    Skeeterart calls 600
    Moukoko folds
    EDUB4 folds
    RAZZTEZZ folds
    DeweyTheChicken folds
    scarface211 has 15 seconds left to act
    scarface211 raises to 2,000
    Andrew1263 has 15 seconds left to act
    Andrew1263 has requested TIME
    Andrew1263 raises ???

    I was moved to this table a few hands ago so I don't really have any reads on anyone. I honestly don't really know what to do here but I think folding might be bad, but is shoving here a good idea? (calling is just out of the question for me)

    What would you do here?

    Edit: Results below
  2. XxDOUBLERxX XxDOUBLERxX is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 7:57am) in reply to andrew1263

    Without any reads, based on the other players actions and stack sizes, this may be a fold for me. If you do raise, allin is about the only option. If you raise to 7k-ish, you will not have enough behind to get any csllers out. In the end tho, it is prob a bitch fitting fold for me, unless I got some great reads.
  3. mtstackin88 mtstackin88 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 8:00am) in reply to andrew1263

    This is a very standard shove. You are crushing scarface211's 3bettin range, so folding is out of the question. Flatting is terribad, so that leaves re-raising. U aren't deep enough to 4bet without shoving so get er in. UL if u ran into kk+
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  4. mtstackin88 mtstackin88 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 8:03am) in reply to XxDOUBLERxX

     
    Originally Posted by XxDOUBLERxX View Post

    Without any reads, based on the other players actions and stack sizes, this may be a fold for me. If you do raise, allin is about the only option. If you raise to 7k-ish, you will not have enough behind to get any csllers out. In the end tho, it is prob a bitch fitting fold for me, unless I got some great reads.

    No.
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  5. miami_jesse miami_jesse is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 8:48am) in reply to mtstackin88

    LOL at folding...Shove with glee
  6. XxDOUBLERxX XxDOUBLERxX is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 9:22am) in reply to andrew1263

    Please give reasoning why this is a standard shove, rather than saying this is a standard shove. I did mention that this is a fold for me. Label me "terabad" or lol-able. But without reads, I am not comfortable just shoving there. To each his own.
  7. miami_jesse miami_jesse is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 9:51am) in reply to XxDOUBLERxX

    do you fold ANY time you are reraised unless you have KK or AA? Play for the win, not for the limp in the $....QQ is pretty money here, his 3 bet range is higher than 2 hands.
  8. Rev.K Rev.K is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 10:14am) in reply to XxDOUBLERxX

     
    Originally Posted by XxDOUBLERxX View Post

    Please give reasoning why this is a standard shove, rather than saying this is a standard shove. I did mention that this is a fold for me. Label me "terabad" or lol-able. But without reads, I am not comfortable just shoving there. To each his own.

    You're afraid of only two hands here, A-A and K-K, if he has them, well that's poker, but to fold here is to turn down a great opportunity to win a big pot. If he's trying to squeeze the two previous players out, he could do it with a hand like K-Q or Q-J and you have that CRUSHED.

    Q-Q is a premium holding. Big cards play big pots.
  9. XxDOUBLERxX XxDOUBLERxX is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 10:28am) in reply to andrew1263

    Please post result of hand. I am willing to bet an AA or KK is in there. Maybe I am wrong, but I will learn.
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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 10:34am) in reply to andrew1263

    I would most likely be shoving here, but I don't think its auto shove - My reasoning is, you have a UTG raise(typically strong) and a caller, now the guy in the sb is 3 betting, I see this as very strong seeing he is out of position 3 betting a UTG raiser and I put him on a tight range - Now, if I had a bunch of hands played at the table and had a read on sb, it would make my decision a lot easier, I can really see myself folding here at times -
     
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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 6:24pm) in reply to andrew1263

    I was really confused here because there is so much variance in people's play in the $24+2 MTTs, however I usually find it that people usually don't get too out of line when it comes to 3+ bets because they usually don't have the ability to "outplay" people by 3 betting with a weaker range (not saying that I do), but by seeing his 3 bet to 2k, i'm assuming that sacarface211 actually does have a hand but I just don't know how strong...
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  12. andrew1263 andrew1263 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 6:26pm) in reply to andrew1263

    Results

    Full Tilt Poker Game #14169671669: $8,500 Guarantee (104195125), Table 39 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:43:38 ET - 2009/08/21
    Seat 1: Damo099 (18,850)
    Seat 2: Skeeterart (3,870)
    Seat 3: Moukoko (17,650)
    Seat 4: EDUB4 (7,671), is sitting out
    Seat 5: RAZZTEZZ (3,232)
    Seat 6: DeweyTheChicken (4,285)
    Seat 7: scarface211 (9,240)
    Seat 8: Andrew1263 (7,090)
    Seat 9: Niceone10 (5,960)
    scarface211 posts the small blind of 100
    Andrew1263 posts the big blind of 200
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Andrew1263 [Qs Qc]
    Niceone10 raises to 600
    Damo099 folds
    Skeeterart calls 600
    Moukoko folds
    EDUB4 folds
    RAZZTEZZ folds
    DeweyTheChicken folds
    scarface211 has 15 seconds left to act
    scarface211 raises to 2,000
    Andrew1263 has 15 seconds left to act
    Andrew1263 has requested TIME
    Andrew1263 raises to 7,090, and is all in
    Niceone10 has 15 seconds left to act
    Niceone10 folds
    Skeeterart folds
    scarface211 calls 5,090
    Andrew1263 shows [Qs Qc]
    scarface211 shows [Kd Kh]
    *** FLOP *** [7s 9s 4c]
    *** TURN *** [7s 9s 4c] [3d]
    *** RIVER *** [7s 9s 4c 3d] [4s]
    Andrew1263 shows two pair, Queens and Fours
    scarface211 shows two pair, Kings and Fours
    scarface211 wins the pot (15,380) with two pair, Kings and Fours
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 15,380 | Rake 0
    Board: [7s 9s 4c 3d 4s]
    Seat 1: Damo099 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: Skeeterart folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: Moukoko didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: EDUB4 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: RAZZTEZZ didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: DeweyTheChicken (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: scarface211 (small blind) showed [Kd Kh] and won (15,380) with two pair, Kings and Fours
    Seat 8: Andrew1263 (big blind) showed [Qs Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours
    Seat 9: Niceone10 folded before the Flop

    I pretty much timebanked halfway and couldn't see myself folding... Guess I need to run better to win a mtt... Thanks for all your opinions
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  13. XxDOUBLERxX XxDOUBLERxX is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2009 (8/21/2009 8:50pm) in reply to andrew1263

    Thanks for posting the results bud. Ul. Gg
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