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Trips on the flop....

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  1. Goooooners! Goooooners! is offline

    Oakland, CA
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    Jun 22nd, 2010 (6/22/2010 5:30pm)

    pokerstars Game #45848376087: Tournament #317010372, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2010/06/22 10:22:11 MT [2010/06/22 12:22:11 ET]
    Table '317010372 88' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: AllowMe2 (2880 in chips)
    Seat 2: Goooooners! (3575 in chips)
    Seat 3: cracyplay (2570 in chips)
    Seat 4: Rock1N1RoLLa (3845 in chips)
    Seat 5: ermac0808 (1540 in chips)
    Seat 6: zYPAz (2805 in chips)
    Seat 7: flocky1 (6445 in chips)
    Seat 8: Curtain22 (2790 in chips)
    Seat 9: joisthanger (3000 in chips)
    Rock1N1RoLLa: posts small blind 20
    ermac0808: posts big blind 40
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Goooooners! [Qh Ac]
    ermac0808 is disconnected
    zYPAz: folds
    ermac0808 is connected
    flocky1: calls 40
    Curtain22: folds
    joisthanger: folds
    AllowMe2: folds
    Goooooners!: calls 40
    cracyplay: folds
    Rock1N1RoLLa: calls 20
    ermac0808: checks
    *** FLOP *** [8d Qd Qs]
    Rock1N1RoLLa: checks
    ermac0808: checks
    flocky1: bets 40
    Goooooners!: calls 40
    Rock1N1RoLLa: folds
    ermac0808: calls 40
    *** TURN *** [8d Qd Qs] [Jd]
    ermac0808: bets 360
    flocky1: folds
    Goooooners!: calls 360
    *** RIVER *** [8d Qd Qs Jd] [7c]
    ermac0808: bets 200
    Goooooners!: calls 200
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    ermac0808: shows [9s Td] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
    Goooooners!: mucks hand
    ermac0808 collected 1400 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1400 | Rake 0
    Board [8d Qd Qs Jd 7c]
    Seat 1: AllowMe2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Goooooners! mucked [Qh Ac]
    Seat 3: cracyplay (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Rock1N1RoLLa (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: ermac0808 (big blind) showed [9s Td] and won (1400) with a straight, Eight to Queen
    Seat 6: zYPAz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: flocky1 folded on the Turn
    Seat 8: Curtain22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: joisthanger folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    The guy was short stacked already, is it standard to shove on the flop? Was he going to call anyways with his gutshot? Any advice on how I should have played it different or was he going to play strong no matter what.
  2. RobK16 RobK16 is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2010 (6/22/2010 9:00pm) in reply to Goooooners!

    I know it's not part of your question, but I would have raised to about $160 pre. I might not have shoved on the flop, but I would have put in for a raise. Anyone with Qx will probably come along. You also might get some bad draws, but if they hit, oh well. At least you got your money in good.
  3. Charliepants Charliepants is offline

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    Jun 22nd, 2010 (6/22/2010 9:59pm) in reply to RobK16

    Pre flop: I would like to iso the limper here in position. To do so id bet 160-220. Most likely you'll end up heads up vs the limper or you'll take the pot down right there.

    On the flop I would bet out 2/3- pot. Do not be scared to bet your hands.

    It is not a standard shove on the flop. Its not often we actually make real hands so when you do bet them for value.

    If you would have jammed he would've never called you with a gut shot. At the same time if you jam you'll never build a pot.
     
  4. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 3:36am) in reply to Charliepants

    Agree with the responders about raising pre-flop.

    I'd also be raising the flop most of the time, to 200 or so (as played). There are a fair amount of drawing hands which catch some of this board, and letting them catch up for a min-bet, when they'll call off more to draw, is a mistake. Definitely don't shove the flop with effective stacks of almost 40 BB. Losing a lot of value that way.

    Good discipline in just calling the turn and river when the draws get there.
     
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