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TT facing 4 bet???

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  1. ipow78 ipow78 is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 7:07pm)

    Villian in the hand has been agressive, thats about the only read i have. I had more tables up than normal, and this buy-in is taking a shot for me. I 3 bet villian twice before this hand came up and he folded both times pre. I've been playing tight/nitty..lol. Any help or suggestions would be great.
    oh and i misclicked pre...i meant to make it 4800. Is flatting here pre out of the question?

    pokerstars Game #22713619211: Tournament #123489751, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2008/12/07 17:43:11 ET
    Table '123489751 55' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: Likey (14020 in chips)
    Seat 2: NovaJune (21087 in chips)
    Seat 3: brentb78 (16140 in chips)
    Seat 4: LECLAIREUR (22369 in chips)
    Seat 5: da ItchY 84 (16300 in chips)
    Seat 6: fredaco88 (12864 in chips)
    Seat 7: Mr_Boon (13932 in chips)
    Seat 8: gator93 (17311 in chips)
    Seat 9: P-Wee77 (14538 in chips)
    Likey: posts the ante 50
    NovaJune: posts the ante 50
    brentb78: posts the ante 50
    LECLAIREUR: posts the ante 50
    da ItchY 84: posts the ante 50
    fredaco88: posts the ante 50
    Mr_Boon: posts the ante 50
    gator93: posts the ante 50
    P-Wee77: posts the ante 50
    fredaco88: posts small blind 300
    Mr_Boon: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to brentb78 [Td Th]
    gator93: folds
    P-Wee77: folds
    Likey: folds
    NovaJune: raises 1200 to 1800
    brentb78: raises 1800 to 3600
    LECLAIREUR: folds
    da ItchY 84: folds
    fredaco88: folds
    Mr_Boon: folds
    NovaJune: raises 4200 to 7800
    brentb78: ???
  2. ipow78 ipow78 is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 8:38pm) in reply to ipow78

    anyone alive over here?
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  3. WeedLacer WeedLacer is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 8:58pm) in reply to ipow78

    FOLD, I honestly flat preflop and see a flop in position... but im a donk lol
  4. ImoOnTilt ImoOnTilt is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 10:54pm) in reply to ipow78

    I don't like risking 50% of my stack with speculative cards in this spot. TT is a decent hand, but here is it most likely behind or barely ahead. -EV play if you flat call or shove, however if you flat call the re-raise you will most likely be in a tough spot on the flop. So...I'd fold, wait for a better spot and not lose a big pot with TT.
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    Dec 9th, 2008 (12/9/2008 6:36am) in reply to ipow78

    Hmmm, well your 3 bet clearly has to bigger. Even 4800 is a little on the awkward size. Make it at least 5200 in position here, also makes playing post flop easier if he flats. Secondly, if you had made it 4800 and he shoved, then what were you gonna do? You need to have a plan when you 3 bet. You say you've 3 bet him a few times already, well you need to know he's gonna play back at you sooner or later. And when you pick a spot with a 25bb stack to 3 bet a LAG player, you need to be willing to put your whole stack in. If you weren't willing to do this, you should just flat the initial raise. BUT, before we do this, we need a plan in case one of the stacks behind us decides to squeeze. In this case, I get it in against the squeezers.

    with the situation at hand, as much as I hate 3 bet/folding I think you have to here. Your misclick 3 bet size may have saved you from going broke, most people don't mini 4 bet light. Just pitch it this time. Next time make it a larger 3 bet and get it in pre, or just flat. Hell, shoving over his raise isn't even bad
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    Dec 9th, 2008 (12/9/2008 7:26am) in reply to Gags30

    thanks for the advice gags. yea that was my biggest problem with the hand i didnt have a plan if i got 4 bet which is a huge mistake in its own. Tbh thats y i didnt just flat call pre i thought it would be a spot to surely get squeezed from ppl behind still to act.
    anybody else have any opinions?
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    Dec 9th, 2008 (12/9/2008 7:30am) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    Hmmm, well your 3 bet clearly has to bigger. Even 4800 is a little on the awkward size. Make it at least 5200 in position here, also makes playing post flop easier if he flats. Secondly, if you had made it 4800 and he shoved, then what were you gonna do? You need to have a plan when you 3 bet. You say you've 3 bet him a few times already, well you need to know he's gonna play back at you sooner or later. And when you pick a spot with a 25bb stack to 3 bet a LAG player, you need to be willing to put your whole stack in. If you weren't willing to do this, you should just flat the initial raise. BUT, before we do this, we need a plan in case one of the stacks behind us decides to squeeze. In this case, I get it in against the squeezers.

    with the situation at hand, as much as I hate 3 bet/folding I think you have to here. Your misclick 3 bet size may have saved you from going broke, most people don't mini 4 bet light. Just pitch it this time. Next time make it a larger 3 bet and get it in pre, or just flat. Hell, shoving over his raise isn't even bad

    gags if i do make it 5200 pre, and he 4 bet shoves are u getting it in then pre? sorry to be a pain
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  8. WeedLacer WeedLacer is offline

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    Dec 9th, 2008 (12/9/2008 11:46am) in reply to ipow78

    I meant just flat his intial raise and not put in the 3 bet... thus cutting out the tough 4 bet decision preflop.
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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 1:07am) in reply to ipow78

    please dont 3B if your gonna fold to his 4B
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