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  1. theairplane theairplane is offline

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    Jan 8th, 2012 (1/8/2012 8:42pm)

    Should i be finding a fold here against nit in the warm up, i feel against one player we have to be getting it in here with tt +, does anyone find a fold?

    pokerstars Hand #73515216538: Tournament #554020016, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1000/2000) - 2012/01/08 15:18:44 ET
    Table '554020016 185' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: danceofddead (61126 in chips)
    Seat 2: ShimouniaK (33118 in chips)
    Seat 3: Marader (112358 in chips)
    Seat 4: VegasDietz (19626 in chips)
    Seat 5: tigaço (51345 in chips)
    Seat 6: benkot (58435 in chips)
    Seat 7: Ginface (95192 in chips)
    Seat 8: wasaberga (126593 in chips)
    Seat 9: basil86 (34861 in chips)
    danceofddead: posts the ante 200
    ShimouniaK: posts the ante 200
    Marader: posts the ante 200
    VegasDietz: posts the ante 200
    tigaço: posts the ante 200
    benkot: posts the ante 200
    Ginface: posts the ante 200
    wasaberga: posts the ante 200
    basil86: posts the ante 200
    tigaço: posts small blind 1000
    benkot: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to basil86 [Td Th]
    Ginface: folds
    wasaberga: folds
    basil86: raises 2400 to 4400
    danceofddead: folds
    ShimouniaK: folds
    Marader: raises 8147 to 12547
    VegasDietz: folds
    tigaço: folds
    benkot: folds
    basil86: ???
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    Jan 8th, 2012 (1/8/2012 9:31pm) in reply to theairplane

    eh, unless this guy is like the biggest nit on the planet, where like he's only getting in JJ+,AK, then i can't see how you can fold. so ya, against 99.9% of players i would not fold
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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 3:03pm) in reply to Gags30

    ^^^^ Obv this.^^^

    I may not be too happy putting it in here but after commiting the 4400 i think your commited with TT.

    Shitty spot because the 3 better is obv going to call your shove. Hopefully he has 77-99 but Im pretty sure he woke up with a hand like gags described JJ-AA AK and probally AQ.

    He should be expecting you to 4 bet shove after you left yourself 15 bigs so Im sure he planned to call your shove. Unless I KNOW this dude would only be 3 betting here with JJ+ Ill lay it down but as gags said 99% of the time I cant fold here. Very read dependent.
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    Jan 10th, 2012 (1/10/2012 6:24am) in reply to AGGRECIV

    So you have about 17BBs preflop. Unless you want to be the nit folding here is not an option. He might even fold if you shove?!?! Even if he calls your going to be a coin flip most of the time, dominating his smaller PP some of the time and dominated yourself not much of the time. At 25BB's you COULD fold....Not at 17BBs.
     
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    Jan 10th, 2012 (1/10/2012 1:58pm) in reply to Unbay2k4

     
    Originally Posted by Unbay2k4 View Post

    So you have about 17BBs preflop. Unless you want to be the nit folding here is not an option. He might even fold if you shove?!?! Even if he calls your going to be a coin flip most of the time, dominating his smaller PP some of the time and dominated yourself not much of the time. At 25BB's you COULD fold....Not at 17BBs.

    Not in a million years does this dude fold here unless he is absolutely terribad. 3 betting 6 bigs of a shorter stacks 17 total bigs when he origionally raised then folding makes no sense.

    The 3 better had to plan on a 4th bet being a ship. Hes not folding...

    I would think you were beat most of the time with a small percentage of the time seeing the 3 better flip AK, AQs, 77-99. I dont see him 3 betting you with pairs up to 66 unless you have been very loose so I would assume 77-99 a minimal amount of times AK, AQs more times and JJ-AA more times. That being said Im still not folding UNLESS this dude has been extremely nitty and even then it would be tough.

    Now a live game may be completely different but its not a live tourney
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    Jan 10th, 2012 (1/10/2012 2:21pm) in reply to Unbay2k4

     
    Originally Posted by Unbay2k4 View Post

    So you have about 17BBs preflop. Unless you want to be the nit folding here is not an option. He might even fold if you shove?!?! Even if he calls your going to be a coin flip most of the time, dominating his smaller PP some of the time and dominated yourself not much of the time. At 25BB's you COULD fold....Not at 17BBs.

    exactly this. glgl
     
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    Jan 10th, 2012 (1/10/2012 6:28pm) in reply to Arty_the_Cat

    Guys obv was never folding but I think the 0.01 percent of players that gags mentioned becomes more like 20 percent in the million and the warmun, and my read was this guy was even too nitty to three bet aq, but i went with the maths and could not fold
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    Jan 11th, 2012 (1/11/2012 4:51pm) in reply to theairplane

     
    Originally Posted by theairplane View Post

    Guys obv was never folding but I think the 0.01 percent of players that gags mentioned becomes more like 20 percent in the million and the warmun, and my read was this guy was even too nitty to three bet aq, but i went with the maths and could not fold

    Huh? What do you NEVER folding. I've seen a fold here before from players. Believe it or not most players in the warmup don't know anything about stack size and if they feel they're beat they'll fold.
     
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    Jan 11th, 2012 (1/11/2012 5:49pm) in reply to Unbay2k4

     
    Originally Posted by Unbay2k4 View Post

    Huh? What do you NEVER folding. I've seen a fold here before from players. Believe it or not most players in the warmup don't know anything about stack size and if they feel they're beat they'll fold.


    I meant that I was never folding
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 7:57am) in reply to theairplane

    i think raise folding is completely out of the question here.. you have 17bbs and TT is definately catching our range here. not sure what specific reads are but against a random im never ever open folding here... u might as well fold preflop lol
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    Jan 18th, 2012 (1/18/2012 9:00am) in reply to 4bet72o

    While the game you're playing is far above my level at the moment. I think you're only play here is to shove all in over the top. Folding means you have just chucked valuable blinds away. Calling just isn't an option here because you will either hit hard or miss entirely and get no value. Therefore, put it all out there and hope for your mark to defend out of pride with complete air.
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    Jan 20th, 2012 (1/20/2012 3:44pm) in reply to theairplane

     
    Originally Posted by theairplane View Post

    Guys obv was never folding but I think the 0.01 percent of players that gags mentioned becomes more like 20 percent in the million and the warmun, and my read was this guy was even too nitty to three bet aq, but i went with the maths and could not fold

    this makes no sense....if he is too nitty to 3bet aq then its clearly a fold as his range is like jj+ AK and you are so dominated by this
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    Jan 20th, 2012 (1/20/2012 5:32pm) in reply to peanut172

    I didnt have a 100 percent read that he wouldnt 3 bet aq...just a feeling as he had played very tight up to that point and every time hed three bet hed had the goods...my point was, is there anyway I can fold with this short a stack, if i am unable to completely pigeon hole his range to ak jj +...hope that makes more sense...
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    Jan 23rd, 2012 (1/23/2012 2:14pm) in reply to theairplane

    Did I miss it, or nobody proposed shipping it at once? For me open with 17BB looks strong and I fold like 8s for that, but I would consider calling an open shove with 88.
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