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turbo SNG push or fold question

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  1. delete21 delete21 is offline

    Westwood, NJ
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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 7:20pm)

    hey, i'd like to hear some input on whether or not this is the correct move. blinds 100-200 plus ante, in bb with a premium. i did put the raiser on overcards, knowing it was a coin flip. do i look for another spot to push, or is too late if i fold this? thanks again.

    pokerstars Game #8459887551: Tournament #43107340, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit
    - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/02/15 - 20:16:10 (ET)
    Table '43107340 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Squishy (395 in chips)
    Seat 3: dparker313 (1395 in chips)
    Seat 5: b1gbossbasti (7205 in chips)
    Seat 6: gadams73 (2420 in chips)
    Seat 9: deadeye499 (2085 in chips)
    Squishy: posts the ante 25
    dparker313: posts the ante 25
    b1gbossbasti: posts the ante 25
    gadams73: posts the ante 25
    deadeye499: posts the ante 25
    Squishy: posts small blind 100
    dparker313: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dparker313 [9s 9h]
    b1gbossbasti: raises 400 to 600
    gadams73: folds
    deadeye499: folds
    Squishy has timed out
    Squishy: folds
    Squishy is sitting out
    dparker313: raises 770 to 1370 and is all-in
    b1gbossbasti: calls 770
    Squishy has returned
    *** FLOP *** [5s 5c 2h]
    *** TURN *** [5s 5c 2h] [4s]
    *** RIVER *** [5s 5c 2h 4s] [Kd]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dparker313: shows [9s 9h] (two pair, Nines and Fives)
    b1gbossbasti: shows [Kh Ad] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
    b1gbossbasti collected 2965 from pot
    dparker313 [observer] said, "nh"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2965 | Rake 0
    Board [5s 5c 2h 4s Kd]
    Seat 1: Squishy (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: dparker313 (big blind) showed [9s 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and
    Fives
    Seat 5: b1gbossbasti showed [Kh Ad] and won (2965) with two pair, Kings and
    Fives
  2. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 7:22pm) in reply to delete21

    How on earth do you know this is a coinflip? I mean Is there any difference in his 600 raise with 22, AA, A9, or AK? I dunno about you guys but they all look the same to me.

    Oh, and yes I call too. His range "should" include many hands you are better than a coinflip against, especially with the chip lead. You are also extremely short, 4/5 in chips.

    EDIT: and by call I obviously mean shove, I hope to god you understand that because you have absolutely 0 fold equity you are committing all your chips anyway.
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  3. Ariganello Ariganello is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 7:26pm) in reply to delete21

    YOu got a tough postion with that 7k stack on your left. I think this is a shove only becasue the 7k stack on your left and when you shove any two he will call with a wider range of hands. The 2k stacks will fold most of there hands once the 395 stack gets knocked out. I think with your postion and the blinds its a shove, but if 7k stack on right and he folds you can shove a wide range of hands and get folds from the 2k stacks. Its a tough spot I think a shove is the best anwser but Sheets whould know more about this since he is a expert on the hands you call with vs stack size vs Blinds. Also note that the 7k stack should be raising alot of hands in this spot. I think he should be shoving pre instead of standard raise with the AK.
  4. mftpg mftpg is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 7:26pm) in reply to delete21

    Dont mind the shove, you are short and big-stack's range is very wide (would not necessarily put him on 2 overs - much wider than that if he is a thinking player). Go time!

    Cheers, Mark
  5. beef beef is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 7:27pm) in reply to SCTrojans

    SCT u call? What r u talking about? SHOVE everyday, and twice on sunday
  6. delete21 delete21 is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 7:47pm) in reply to mftpg

    alrighty then, thanks for the responses. to the first replier, i obv did not KNOW it was a coin flip, but 4-6 previous hands he was raising the same amount preflop, and in all 4 cases they were just high cards. i should not have said i knew, but i made the assumption. thanks for the responses though, i'm learning more every day thanks to p5's.
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