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Two Tough Hands(JJ SEMI-deep in mil)(AK deep in 50)

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  1. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2008 (1/13/2008 7:11pm)

    pokerstars Game #14539377800: Tournament #72644820, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1250/2500) - 2008/01/13 - 19:57:05 (ET)
    Table '72644820 539' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Dunkelb1 (31015 in chips)
    Seat 2: NJAngelo (15960 in chips)
    Seat 3: FishOnTilt (109975 in chips)
    Seat 4: sharp67 (79125 in chips)
    Seat 5: ynika (59227 in chips)
    Seat 7: holly17 (118366 in chips)
    Seat 8: tony21072 (21000 in chips)
    Seat 9: vayacom (75066 in chips)
    Dunkelb1: posts the ante 250
    NJAngelo: posts the ante 250
    FishOnTilt: posts the ante 250
    sharp67: posts the ante 250
    ynika: posts the ante 250
    holly17: posts the ante 250
    tony21072: posts the ante 250
    vayacom: posts the ante 250
    vayacom: posts small blind 1250
    Dunkelb1: posts big blind 2500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to FishOnTilt [Jh Jd]
    NJAngelo: folds
    FishOnTilt: raises 3500 to 6000
    sharp67: folds
    ynika: folds
    holly17: raises 16450 to 22450
    tony21072: folds
    vayacom: folds
    bmr2020 is connected
    Dunkelb1: folds
    FishOnTilt: folds
    holly17 collected 17750 from pot
    holly17: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 17750 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: Dunkelb1 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: NJAngelo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: FishOnTilt folded before Flop
    Seat 4: sharp67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: ynika folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: holly17 collected (17750)
    Seat 8: tony21072 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: vayacom (small blind) folded before Flop

    -is there anything i can do here with no reads but fold? we are about 110 out from the money fwiw. i have been active mostly picking up hands and winning without showdown. i know if im in hollys spot i would prolly 3 bet A HUGE range bc im gonna have to fold a ton of hands(that and the fact i might have a loose image) but i dont know if the villian knows this.

    -what about this 2nd hand that just happened in the 50$ 25k guar right after bubble broke

    PokerStars Game #14539380212: Tournament #72648542, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2008/01/13 - 19:57:12 (ET)
    Table '72648542 80' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Sarp Ovutmen (22930 in chips)
    Seat 2: daggydag (7956 in chips)
    Seat 3: FishOnTilt (24865 in chips)
    Seat 4: EBBuck (54639 in chips)
    Seat 5: TioliPunk (12783 in chips)
    Seat 6: jotan83 (21001 in chips)
    Seat 7: cheddarmon (25462 in chips)
    Seat 8: QuasiFiction (16432 in chips)
    Seat 9: TEXAS fight (30160 in chips)
    Sarp Ovutmen: posts the ante 100
    daggydag: posts the ante 100
    FishOnTilt: posts the ante 100
    EBBuck: posts the ante 100
    TioliPunk: posts the ante 100
    jotan83: posts the ante 100
    cheddarmon: posts the ante 100
    QuasiFiction: posts the ante 100
    TEXAS fight: posts the ante 100
    Sarp Ovutmen: posts small blind 500
    daggydag: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to FishOnTilt [As Kc]
    FishOnTilt: raises 1565 to 2565
    EBBuck: folds
    TioliPunk: folds
    jotan83: raises 4125 to 6690
    cheddarmon: folds
    QuasiFiction: folds
    TEXAS fight: folds
    Sarp Ovutmen: folds
    daggydag: folds
    FishOnTilt: raises 18075 to 24765 and is all-in
    jotan83: calls 14211 and is all-in
    *** FLOP *** [6c 2c 8s]
    *** TURN *** [6c 2c 8s] [5h]
    *** RIVER *** [6c 2c 8s 5h] [8c]
    FishOnTilt said, "bleh"
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    FishOnTilt: shows [As Kc] (a pair of Eights)
    jotan83: shows [Kh Kd] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
    FishOnTilt said, "bad shove nh"
    jotan83 collected 44202 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 44202 | Rake 0
    Board [6c 2c 8s 5h 8c]
    Seat 1: Sarp Ovutmen (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: daggydag (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: FishOnTilt showed [As Kc] and lost with a pair of Eights
    Seat 4: EBBuck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: TioliPunk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: jotan83 showed [Kh Kd] and won (44202) with two pair, Kings and Eights
    Seat 7: cheddarmon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: QuasiFiction folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: TEXAS fight (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    -can i possibly fold, the villian is solid and my opening range is really tight here with 24bbs right after the bubble broke(due to looser play after bubble breaks obv). since they are competant i think they will be folding like 88,99(maybe TTs but i doubt it,but i also think they would just shove not make a small raise) and AJ(maybe AQ, doubt it though).

    my raising range is prolly 99+,AQ+ fwiw

    feedback pls.
     
  2. willcutyou willcutyou is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2008 (1/13/2008 7:22pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    I agree with the fold on JJ in the mil, I hate that position...with no prior reads and no other way of extracting info, the best move is to muck it and move along, especially with x40 BB left after the fold. In the 50 though, im not sure. I don't think he reraises you with that wide a range, considering your UTG and you claiming that he is solid. I may fold here, sometimes tough to lay down AK with only x20 BB, but i don't see it beating anything in this position...I don't see him making that reraise with AQ AJ, and you don't need to go allin and pray for a toss yet.
     
  3. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2008 (1/13/2008 7:30pm) in reply to willcutyou

    bump*
     
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  4. jeffboski jeffboski is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2008 (1/13/2008 7:34pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    1. Push for metagame purposes.

    2. He knows u gatta have a monster to raise UTG for hes GATTA has a monster to raise you there. You still have 22k left no biggie. Your not even soooted :( ez fold
     
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