i thought beatboxed was tilt happens ub name. MA? ban

lets see...

hands he does this and you beat: 66,99,TT,A8,86,76,56,spades,A6,air

hands that beat you: 85,87,75,88,55,77,QQ,KK,AA

just looking at the ranges it seems hes more likely to have a hand you beat than beats you but the range i gave him is kinda strange to call out of the BB

you definetly have fold equity which is good, but the board is just too draw heavy to fold.

i ship it in and hope to hold vs a straight or flush draw, or hope to hit a jack vs a set..

i dont minraise pre here but as played i'm shoving 100% of the time.

ub regs are bad... i can see him snapping off 67s on this board. plenty of value in shoving, dont be results oriented when they show up w/ better tho i kno u wont tho cause ur boss

beatboxed on CERUS, boss on all others. I'm gettin it in on the flop with ur stack size here, just too many hands that raise you on the flop won't be folding to a shove here that you beat and still get all the value from. 8-9k stack I would consider flatting then jamming the turn over his bet because hes betting almost every turn.

I really think people are underestimating just how nitty UB randos are, this is a really really really gay spot and tbh I'd consider checking the flop and calling down safe cards/betting if checked to as an option on UB a lot of the time here. As played I'd cry and not really know what to do.

 

Originally Posted by Duffy08

 

Originally Posted by DFish

I really think people are underestimating just how nitty UB randos are, this is a really really really gay spot and tbh I'd consider checking the flop and calling down safe cards/betting if checked to as an option on UB a lot of the time here. As played I'd cry and not really know what to do.

yea but are we really excited about hero folding and grinding a < 20 bb stack early in a major on a action packed sunday?!?

Obviously not, which is why I said I'd cry and not know, and would probably shove, but it's a really gross spot in a really soft tournament.

 

Originally Posted by bef99hwk

I agree with checking the flop, but it just depends on how you feel bout it I think...to me, this flop is just as bad as 9TJ or something...but I suck so yeah...

I chk flop, call 800 bet on turn if he bets, and see what he does with river...by that time we should have just over a pot size bet left and if he chks we are good. Kinda dumb thinking but tired of jamming min raises on flop and getting shown nuts. Duffy hates grinding short stacks and that's basically my whole game :[

Yea that's a pretty bad flop for JJ.

 

Originally Posted by DFish

I really think people are underestimating just how nitty UB randos are, this is a really really really gay spot and tbh I'd consider checking the flop and calling down safe cards/betting if checked to as an option on UB a lot of the time here. As played I'd cry and not really know what to do.

yah checking the flop def crossed my mind but i kinda remember thinking "fuck it, ill get it in if he raises/shoves its sunday" lol, but the check minraise just really threw me off on that board and im so used to running into huge hands on UB vs randoms in these comparable spots. Was really hoping hed raise bigger obv.

However, I then def took into consideration that I look full of shit with my sizing like CP magician mentions. What are people's thoughts on flatting? I'm usually NEVER a fan of this line vs a random with limited reads, but in this particular spot would it be the worst when I'm not convinced hes calling with much worse on the flop and re evaluate turn? Obv I lose value from hands he'll call with on flop that shutdown on certain turns, but I potentially get max value if hes fos/dont go broke if certain cards come, and I just didnt feel like he has much worse thats calling flop shove since its UB but i might be overthinking it. He has about a pot sized bet effectively to put me in if hes light, stacks dont seem terrible for it.

 

Originally Posted by CP_MagiciaN

Not a fan of betting this flop with ur prf raise size unless you're insta shoving over here. I mean, you're gay raising to fuck with people, then you make a bet that looks like an obvious "im fucking with you" bet and then he does an obvious "haha, this is fun cuz now Im fucking with you too" c/r. Get it in here as played but I def prefer checking.

Edit: Not checking as default, just checking if you're worried abt getting in against this particular player.

Guess I should have explained what I meant...I was relating it to AA on that type of flop....not exactly JJ on JT9...suited and connected.

U know what they say about jacks. There's 3 ways to play em AND THEY'RE ALL WRONG.

 

Originally Posted by the_snail03

I've never been ahead of a check/min-raise on ub......ever.

i really dont understand why everyone wants to rejam the flop. hes either got the nuts or air. or maybe sum draws. why not call and reeval the turn? that way he can continue his bluffs and you can getter a better gague at how strong he actually is..

 

Originally Posted by DFish

 

Originally Posted by Grip

i really dont understand why everyone wants to rejam the flop. hes either got the nuts or air. or maybe sum draws. why not call and reeval the turn? that way he can continue his bluffs and you can getter a better gague at how strong he actually is..

Flatting and get in on safe turns is probably the best option if we chose to continue.

I could be wrong but the chance of villain having air is minimal imo.

 

Originally Posted by the_snail03

 

Originally Posted by DFish

 

Originally Posted by Grip

i really dont understand why everyone wants to rejam the flop. hes either got the nuts or air. or maybe sum draws. why not call and reeval the turn? that way he can continue his bluffs and you can getter a better gague at how strong he actually is..

Flatting and get in on safe turns is probably the best option if we chose to continue.

I could be wrong but the chance of villain having air is minimal imo.

You're not wrong. Saying this is a nuts or air spot doesn't make any sense to me.