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  1. <span>Joseph Tokwiro Norton, the owner of Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet was the Grand Chief of the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake for 24 years. He was instrumental in the passage of the Gaming Law which established the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. The Mohawk Council appoints the members of the Gaming Commission. He was also the founder of Mohawk Internet Technologies(MIT) which is the mandated host of all gaming businesses licensed by the KGC. He is the CEO and a Board Member of that business.

    It is important to understand with regard to the questions about ownership of Poker/ Gaming sites that only Mohawks can hold gaming licenses issued by the KGC. No foreign person or company can own anything within the Mohawk Territory. So, the KGC mandated that MIT (founded and run by Norton, and who was involved in their appointment) would be the Interactive Gaming License Holder for all non-Mohawks wishing to operate a gaming business from the Territory. The foreign company holds a license called a "Client Provider Authorization." The foreign company must negotiate an agreement with MIT before it can operate from Kahnawake. The KGC collects $10,000 a year as a license fee, and the MIT collects both hosting and other negotiated fees for holding the Interactive Gaming License. So, Norton was associated with Absolute and UB before news of the scandals broke.

    To connect the dots, the man who was instrumental in founding the KGC was the founder and current CEO of MIT, which is the host mandated by the KGC for gaming businesses. He is now identified as the sole proprietor of Tokwiro Enterprises which owns both Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet which were both the subjects of cheating scandals, and both licensed by the KGC. In it's findings with respect to the AP scandal, the KGC fined AP $500,000 (and other conditions) and allowed it to continue operation apparently because prior ownership was culpable for any wrongdoing. It seems the same story is unfolding with respect to UB. What other decision could the KGC come to? They have a vested interest in terms of license fees, hosting and interactrive license holding fees to allow both AP and UB to continue to operate.

    Considering the history and structure of the KGC, MIT and the businesses involved, how can the KGC possibly assert jurisdiction to fairly investigate these matters? If the KGC is suspected of handling these matters improperly or if a conflic of interest is supsected, to what higher authority do players appeal to? No one. The only higher authority is the Mohawk Council, which created the KGC under the long time leadership of Joseph Tokwiro Norton.

    This is not cronyism. There is another term for it.

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  2.  
    Originally Posted by CyberSleuth View Post

    <span>
    This is not cronyism. There is another term for it.

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    Horseshit?
  3. the government might call it racketeering.

    or, just imagine you are dealing with some 3rd world country or little town in bumfuck where the governement and the money and the companies and the cops are all run by the same people.
     
  4. This is what I have been saying all along. Who oversees the KGC? NOBODY. Therefore they basically can do whatever the fuk they want to. Really awesome structure and sooooo bloody fair.

    Remind you of the monopoly our US government has with KBR/Haliburton? Monopolize shyt and then you have absolute power and total control over the cash flow. Welcome to politics.
  5. Yup. RICO is the term. When I tried to paste the link on the structure of the KGC that was posted by their own consulting firm, it had already been removed.

    www.cataniaconsulting/kahnawake.pdf
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  6. Good info imo.
  7. fkn filthy injunz
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  8.  
    Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd View Post

    fkn injun crooks

    But seriously, Joe Norton sounds more like a circa 1960's boxers name than an Indian Chief, WTF?
  9.  
    Originally Posted by jtown1010 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd View Post

    fkn injun crooks

    But seriously, Joe Norton sounds more like a circa 1960's boxers name than an Indian Chief, WTF?

    Chief Takamoneylota
  10. It's very alarming that a site with as much influence as P5's has in the poker community, it still allowing Ub ads to run without any indication of foul play in its reviews. The manner in which the site is run, and the current information that has come to light, it seems reasonable that any Ub ad come along with a disclaimer, or be taken down altogether.
  11.  
    Originally Posted by 8ntmuch View Post

     
    Originally Posted by jtown1010 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd View Post

    fkn injun crooks

    But seriously, Joe Norton sounds more like a circa 1960's boxers name than an Indian Chief, WTF?

    Chief Takamoneylota

    Ken Norton and Joe Frazier. Someone look into these two. They must be related to this mess somehow. It is probably not a coincidence that Joe Norton has the same last name and the same first name as two famous heavyweights from the 60's and 70's.

    Nice work fellas. Way to put the pieces together.
  12. I say Nat should start his own gaming commission offshore. I can only dream of a day when I can get my money in ahead, and actually win at least half the time.
  13.  
    Originally Posted by Shady909ca View Post

    It's very alarming that a site with as much influence as P5's has in the poker community, it still allowing Ub ads to run without any indication of foul play in its reviews. The manner in which the site is run, and the current information that has come to light, it seems reasonable that any Ub ad come along with a disclaimer, or be taken down altogether.

    It is shocking really. Im new here and I thought instantly UB would bepulled. Nope. UB and AP are still here. Kinda makes me question this site entirely. There is no excuse for it.
  14. The site admins here have drank the "new" guys are the good guys kool-aid. The right thing to do here is to kick them off until they come clean.
  15.  
    Originally Posted by MauiPunter View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Shady909ca View Post

    It's very alarming that a site with as much influence as P5's has in the poker community, it still allowing Ub ads to run without any indication of foul play in its reviews. The manner in which the site is run, and the current information that has come to light, it seems reasonable that any Ub ad come along with a disclaimer, or be taken down altogether.

    It is shocking really. Im new here and I thought instantly UB would bepulled. Nope. UB and AP are still here. Kinda makes me question this site entirely. There is no excuse for it.

    It has to be a tough moral decision for them. I am sure they have been considering it. I am going to guess a substantial amount of affiliate revenue comes from UB/AP, but I am not privy to that info. Also many players have scores from UB/AP that make up a big part of thier rankings. It seems that P5's is taking a wait and see approach. I have not heard anyone make an official statement on thier position after the most recent developments.