my point exactly

Here's an idea....

why dont you guys fold backand forth while discussing a deal rather than playing it out???? This would have never happened if you guys didnt decide to keep playing while discussing a deal. Also why make a deal on a site that has no authority to enforce them??

Both sides were shady here in my opinion.

PS why wasthere no more discussion of a deal after this incidint? wouldt you be furious with his call? Why was there no verification? Seems shady on both parts.

LIKE I TOLD U WAS WATCHING AND WAS CLEAR TO ME U WANTED TO CHOP

HE SAID YES.....CHOP DONE...U DIDNT HONOR IT BUT UB DID WHAT THEY THOT

WAS RIGHT AND HONORED IT....HAD HE WON HAND AND U SAID ALL THIS THEY

WOODA CHOPPED OTHER WAY.....WE SHOULD ALL BE HAPPY SITE WANTS TO

HELP US KEEEP A LIL HONOR BY GETTING INVOLVED...

Seems like they both tried to pull a fast one over the other IMO. UB should take the extra money and give it to 3rd and 4th.

Obviously not a possible solution, but it doesnt seem like anybody's story is all there.

Chat for these players should be removed, so something of this sort can't happen again.

Riskky

Ya, their both shady fucks who tried to screw each other over....... I think UB should just take the extra money and donate it to charity, and give these donkeys nothing.......

way to go UB

Answer... UB organises a heads up match with the same stacks/blinds and they play it out. Or disguss a deal. Also would be really fun to watch!

My first inclination is that there was a deal. The bottom line is that it is common knowledge that UB does not facilitate deals unless it involves a player at UB who is an elite population. I, for one, would like UB to make a statement of some type regarding this change in policy re: enforcing deals made in the chat box.

No deal.

LOL. The deal in question involved CMITCH losing on purpose to FLEXNash so FLEXNash could get the points, and in return FLEX would send some money. The second he calls all in with a good hand, isn't THAT deal null and void?

I don't care what the rules say. If you made a deal, it should be enforced.
If you didn't then it shouldn't.

If you make a deal, win and refuse to payout knowing "well the rules say you can't enforce it". Then not only should they send the guy his money, but they should also close your account for violating the "dick clause".

whenever i make deals at a ft i always sit out and ask the other person to do so as well- WHY WERENT THEY DOING THIS?

^^^^^^^absolute best response given so far.

I originially posted this a few days ago to a different thread, but nobody obviously saw it, and there are a few parts of it that are outdated (obviously the part about the chat log, since you have already looked at it and still, somehow, don't think there was a deal in place).

Several points here:

1. I cannot believe that you didn't think there was a deal in place, when you said "so do we have a deal?", and I replied "y, i guess so". Why on earth would I otherwise call an all in for 30 times the big blind with A10??? Seriously, 30 BB's? Give me an ounce of credit-- I wouldn't call 30 BBs with A10 heads up if you turned your cards over and showed me that you had 66. If I had called off all my money with 72, there wouldn't be a discussion right now, but since it was a medium hand, you incorrectly assumed that I was trying to "win" and thus circumvent the deal.

2. Somehow, you don't think there was a deal in place, yet myself and at least 4 different UB administrators reviewed the chat log and agreed that there was a deal. The reason why I didn't know whether to call or not was because I didn't know what you had-- everything happened so quickly and I assumed that you would tell me what you had and I would just dump chips to you if I was behind. Since chat becomes disabled once someone is all in, I had no idea what you wanted me to do. So I assumed (correctly) that I was dominated, and that if I sucked out, then I would simply ship to you what you were owed. It was a wierd situation, and it perfectly illustrates why I have been reluctant to make deals in the past. The fact that you were insistent on getting credit for the "win" further complicated matters-- normally, a chop agreement is made and both parties just push in since it doesn't matter who wins. That is why I said that I had no idea what you wanted me to do.

3. The reason why I didn't discuss what happened after that hand is because there was no time to chat on the subsequent hand (or hands, there might have been two more after that) because someone was all in immediately and chat was thus disabled. I managed to say "dude" one time, but that's all I got out before you were putting me all in and I couldn't say anything more. I was going to say, "dude, I still don't see the $700 that you promised me yet." I found it interesting that despite all the big cashes you've had on UB recently, you only had $700 in your account prior to the end of that tourney. It didn't hit me until a bit later that the reason why you hadn't transferred the $700 to me is because you didn't yet have my first name. You immediately left the table upon completion of the last hand, and logged out shortly thereafter. I even sat down at a cash table, assuming that you would see me on Ultimate Buddy and sit down so that we could discuss details, such as my first name and the exact amount you were transferring me on top of the $700 that you were supposed to send prior to the completion of the tournament.

4. In regards to the exact amount: we had argued back and forth between me getting $6100 and $6300, but the amount that I thought that I was agreeing to was $6100. The UB administrators, upon viewing the chat log, believed that the deal was for me to get $6300, which is why they transferred $1980 to my account. I have accordingly transferred back to you $200 since that's what I thought I was agreeing to (I did this several days ago).

5. If you read my previous posts, I made no slanderous remarks to you at all. I even went out of my way to urge other p5ers to not incriminate you just yet, seeing as how you didn't yet have my first name. I didn't realize until after I made the post thanking you for transferring the money that UB had actually done it. Again, it is interesting that aside from myself, everyone else who viewed the chat log came to the same conclusion: we made a deal.

6. As far as your read of the situation being "right on"-- this probably represents one of the few times lately that your read has been way off. I'm not sure how you didn't think there was a deal in place when, after you badgered for a deal for 15 minutes (during which time I never agreed to one), I finally said "y, i guess so" when you asked "deal?". At no time prior to that had I agreed to anything, but when I finally answered with a "yes", you somehow thought that it didn't mean "yes"? It should also be noted that I urged you early on for both of us to sit out to discuss the terms, but then you sat back in when the blinds went up. WTF was that?!? I folded kk preflop during this time.

7. I don't appreciate the insinuation that "thereafter you decided you might attempt to get a chop anyways, posthumously". Anyone who knows me knows that I would never go about anything in this manner. It's unfortunate that there was a miscommunication and you feel that there was no deal in place. UB can send you the chat log and you can review it if you'd like. It was a long tourney and late at night, so maybe you didn't see that I agreed to a deal. It's too bad that UB can't update its software to be like stars or party so that stuff like this doesn't happen. I feel bad if you think that you were somehow screwed over, but let's not forget: YOU were the one that was insistent on a deal, and none of this would have ocurred if you had not been so adamant about making one. We should have just played it out to let the best man win, which is what I would have preferred. You may think that this is what happened, but I can unequivacably tell you that you are incorrect in this thinking. You did not "win" fair and square-- you chopped fair and square, and if you review the chat log, you will see this.

Best of luck to you in the future-- you've had great success recently and are obviously a talented player. I won't say "no hard feelings" because there would definitely be hard feelings on my end if the UB administrators had not chosen to intervene, since you clearly were not going to send me any money. I assume that there will be hard feelings on your end since you incorrectly believe that there was no deal in place-- again, I urge you to look at the chat log. If, upon reviewing the chat log, you still feel that you were somehow slighted, then I don't know what to tell you. I know what I thought was taking place, several others have agreed with me, and I can look at myself in the mirror with a clear conscience, which is ultimately what I care about.

it looks like both players were douchebags and tried to screw each other