Originally Posted by wmmcl

is it like the one on FTP (cards constantly shuffling)

i think its this

how does it make any difference at all?

 

Originally Posted by famous5ives

how does it make any difference at all?

Because on continuous shuffle sites the timing of your actions changes the outcome of the hand. Still random, but it does matter to some degree.

 

Originally Posted by RevG

Because on continuous shuffle sites the timing of your actions changes the outcome of the hand. Still random, but it does matter to some degree.

Sounds contradicting to me, wont argue with it tho and hijak the thread. Sorry OP dont have ur answer

 

Originally Posted by RevG

Because on continuous shuffle sites the timing of your actions changes the outcome of the hand. Still random, but it does matter to some degree.

sorry but this doesn't really make sense because while on FTP we do have the power to change the flop (take more time to decide etc) we can't know what the flop changed from or what it will change to. So i think famous5fives is right and there is absolutely no difference at all.

like the bad beats will go away....

i've wondered this also so i know if i should worry about timing the RNG or not.

 

Originally Posted by grapsfan

What he's saying is the deck is completely shuffled prior to the deal, and apparently not after cards are dealt.

It's like stars, not Full Tilt.

So u mean the flop, turn and river are already determined soon as players receive their hole cards??

Does FTP's constant shuffle bother anyone else? I know it doesn't matter because there's no way to influence it to our advantage. But I hate thinking in the back of my mind, "shit, if I had waited 3 seconds or snap called, etc." I know it's stupid but it's just a nagging thought. Wish I had never learned about it.

I try to focus on whether or not I made a good decision.

However, I have to admit that on stars, I know that the flop is what I woulda got, so its harder to avoid being results oriented. On FTP, I can just tell myself that it woulda been different if I woulda called/raised etc, so there's no use in agonizing over the board.

Whats fun is trying to explain the FTP continuous shuffle system to the newbs. Its funny to see guys saying oh man i folded 96o of a 9996A board and watch them melt down when you tell them it would have flopped different if they had called.

so is it a concensus that the UB generator is like PS and not ftp?

so notice that when stars shuffles its "random" hand that the computer has to AFTERWARDS assign the winning hand to a seat. No one claims or ever mentions that the winning seat distribution is not and cannot be random at all.This happens after thr rng has done its job. computers have to do one step at a time.
how do you think you lose every showdown over a thousand hands 5 days a week?

 

Originally Posted by RevG

 

Originally Posted by telks

i've wondered this also so i know if i should worry about timing the RNG or not.

Good, then I'm not the only one that thinks about this :)

QFLB (quote for leveled badly)

 

Originally Posted by Adam

lol....this post pretty much sums up my exact thoughts every time this thread is posted. I think if nothing else, it's symbolic with how obsessed online poker players have become with completely insignificant and/or silly details about how the poker sites and industry work.

I remember the first time I read about a particular RNG. I believe it was the pokerstars one... I remember reading that the final order of the seeds was determined by a combination of several factors, including user mouse movement, movement of light particles in space, and others.

My first thought: Wow, that is some sophisticated shit....no way in hell anyone would ever be able to find an algorithm for predicting that. I mean, how would anyone predict something that's based around random movement of light particles in space!

Several others' reactions: OMG, people can influence the cards by moving their mouse! That's not fair!

Obviously a lot of "how to cheat at poker" websites capitalized on these reactions by claiming they could teach you how to move your mouse in a way that gave you better cards than your opponents....silly...

Anyway, the goal of an RNG is basically one simple thing: to produce results that have absolutely no predictable patterns and that do not favor any one outcome over any other (in other words, that over time will conform to calculable probabilities). Details like "at what point in the trial is the seed chosen" are completely irrelevant. Why do they inspire so much discussion?

Again it doesnt matter what an rng does. It matters what is done after the rng shuffles the cards.
Only then is the winning hand assigned to a seat number.or the losinsuckouthands whichever you prefer.pretty basic logic.
explains variance better than losing 9 out of ten showdowns over thousands of hads 6 times a week for years .

 

Originally Posted by 420beats

so notice that when stars shuffles its "random" hand that the computer has to AFTERWARDS assign the winning hand to a seat. No one claims or ever mentions that the winning seat distribution is not and cannot be random at all.This happens after thr rng has done its job. computers have to do one step at a time.
how do you think you lose every showdown over a thousand hands 5 days a week?

can you please post the link to this information? who is your source and how do they know the computer picks a winning seat? What if the computer picked the winning seat, but he misclicked and folded AA, nobody can win now? I'm lost...