donde esta OP? haha

 

Originally Posted by donkiman

So did they go into any detail at what "playing soft" meant? I mean I didn't think there were rules against checking a hand down with a buddy because u dont want to bust them. Or if your 1 of 2 aggro players deep in a soft mtt you may tend to stay out of the other players pots and play the other players alot differently. Or if your deepstacked at a final table you may play a hand slower with another big stack than you would have against smaller stacks to limit pot size. Niether of these things are against the rules though, that I know of...

What exactly did they say?

Checking with buddy is unacceptable imo and it is against the rules, I shoved my KQo into my shortstacked buddy BvB last night, lost to his AJ and we had a laugh about it, wouldn't you feel cheated if you came 3rd to 2 guys that wouldn't bet against each other? Your other 2 examples are just good ICM strategies and perfectly acceptable, why bust out 50th when you have a stack that would be average at the final table?

Good luck man, if you are on the level and this is just a mix up, I hope to see back at the tables.

every time someone cries wolf around here they are the ones who are in the wrong.
What with amandagate, FG, etc I think its high time we had a big freeroll on UB for all us nice people.

 

Originally Posted by jedd

i'm not a UB customer but it sounds like they're a bunch of crooks. so what would happen if you folded AA in the bubble and then went on to win 1st place, do they have the right to close your account and confiscate your winnings because it looks like you played AA soft?

If folding AA to a friend (or even just randomly) on the bubble then yes, they should suspend your account and ask some questions.. Just closing an account and not asking questions though doesn't seem right.. Glad UB is looking out for colluders, etc. but they should allow the accused a chance to get information on what they are being accused of when they feel they might have something to look into and give the "client" a chance to respond in his/her defense.. That being said, OP hasn't really said enough for me to conclude what happened here, didn't mention anything about what was said during any correspondance (phone or otherwise) and I can't just blindly side with him without knowing any more information since in the past 90%+ of the people that complain about a site banning them have not told all the information..

 

Without OP posting any e-mail correspondence with UB we can't pas any judgment on OP or on UB.

WAIT, WHAT?!?!?

NO FUCKING WAY YOU JUST SAID THAT AND MEAN IT

UB def sound as if they're taking online poker forward. Reading some of the threads on here it would put you off playing. Was going to open an account there about 1 year ago, but thanks to what l've read on here I gave it a miss.

 

Originally Posted by elusively

WAIT, WHAT?!?!?

NO FUCKING WAY YOU JUST SAID THAT AND MEAN IT

Yes I did. Kind of. I am expecting this to be some kind of other 'self outting' post, after the amandaw111/foolishgolf thread. Usually when people come in here screaming murder but not posting any real evidence in their defence, they have done something... pokersites don't just ban/block/confiscate, would be bad for business, they already make enough in rake. But because I also don't have any evidence against the OP I am reserving my opinions and just stay sceptical for the time being.

 

Originally Posted by MotherwellX

UB def sound as if they're taking online poker forward. Reading some of the threads on here it would put you off playing. Was going to open an account there about 1 year ago, but thanks to what l've read on here I gave it a miss.

After the holecards scam in 2007 I left UB and moved to Full Tilt. Recently I have swapped $ and started playing on UB again.... and it is great! Medium sized fields with only a few sharks but mostly bad players. See my bad beat threads, I may have lost 4 aipf's with AA in a row, point is I got some idiots to call me with total garbage. A few weeks ago I shipped the 20K GTD on UB (small brag) so I am going to continue to play there. Plus, see the amandaw111 thread, UB is taking strong action against cheaters and it wouldn't surprise me if OP in this thread has dome something against the rules as well.

still no word from ub..larry dumbar at security will only tell me it has to do with me shoving allin on first hand of every satellite i was playing and how that is collusion and not allowed. i asked for proof of where this is against the rules,,,and cant get a response....so i call every day knowing they just plan on leaving me in limbo..this is complete horse crap,,,they need to decide what the hell it is ive done wrong, cuz i have no idea how that is "softplay".

obviously they have recently changed the rules on what closes late registration in these satellites as well

 

Originally Posted by nehemiah

still no word from ub..larry dumbar at security will only tell me it has to do with me shoving allin on first hand of every satellite i was playing and how that is collusion and not allowed. i asked for proof of where this is against the rules,,,and cant get a response....so i call every day knowing they just plan on leaving me in limbo..this is complete horse crap,,,they need to decide what the hell it is ive done wrong, cuz i have no idea how that is "softplay".

obviously they have recently changed the rules on what closes late registration in these satellites as well

Why are you shoving all in the first hand in every satty? Is there another player who is also going all in with you every time? Otherwise it just seems dumb. Was there another player at the table that you had a deal with to get it all in the first hand of every satty?

 

Originally Posted by nehemiah

i was shoving allin because there would be 3 to 4 players in a 10 rebuy satellite for a 530 seat...if someone leaves tourney though..it closes the registration..same scenario in a 33 or 44 buyin..without rebuys.....i would shove to close registration and preserve a monster overlay..or if i lost..i would just leave...there are probably 20 regular sattalite players who do this on a regular basis....i know u cant discuss a allin shove first hand with other players b4 tourney starts...but there isnt anything that says u cant just shove

Fair enough. Any other regs get investigated for this? Do you just keep shoving until someone goes out? Have other regs who do this called you with the same intent of closing the overlay? I mean if there are multiple sattys where you and another reg are getting it in on the first hand w garbage even if you aren't directly talking about it to each other an understanding has been reached. Doesnt sound like an offense that should get you banned tho. It also sounds like they may have created the problem themselves with a bad late reg policy etc. GL. Be patient its the only thing you can do.

Also edit : I haven't actually read the terms of service of any of the poker sites I play at entirely. I'm curious if there are many players who actually do this ( I mean read the whole thing ) before playing one hand on a site.

 

Originally Posted by nehemiah

i was shoving allin because there would be 3 to 4 players in a 10 rebuy satellite for a 530 seat...if someone leaves tourney though..it closes the registration..same scenario in a 33 or 44 buyin..without rebuys.....i would shove to close registration and preserve a monster overlay..or if i lost..i would just leave...there are probably 20 regular sattalite players who do this on a regular basis....i know u cant discuss a allin shove first hand with other players b4 tourney starts...but there isnt anything that says u cant just shove

Why are we on page 2 before OP finally comes clean about what's really going on?
Looks like you found a loophole in their software. They don't like it. You are going to get a better response from them by being up front and honest about everything than you will by acting like an irrational idiot.

If that's all he did I say give him back his account. It's UB's own fault.

I don't think we are getting all of the details and after some deliberation I think there is more to this than OP states. Why would you want to play there? Why not just try and get your lost funds and never play there again? Is there something about UB that you prefer over the other sites? Do you have friends on there that you want to play with? It all sounds really shady to me and the fact of the matter is that rather than giving the details in the op you waited until page 2 which leads me to think you may not be telling the entire story...

 

Originally Posted by nehemiah

i was shoving allin because there would be 3 to 4 players in a 10 rebuy satellite for a 530 seat...if someone leaves tourney though..it closes the registration..same scenario in a 33 or 44 buyin..without rebuys.....i would shove to close registration and preserve a monster overlay..or if i lost..i would just leave...there are probably 20 regular sattalite players who do this on a regular basis....i know u cant discuss a allin shove first hand with other players b4 tourney starts...but there isnt anything that says u cant just shove

Pretty sure this is the part they are upset about. If you and a bunch of other players agree to forfeit equity in a mtt with a massive overlay, in order to help each other out, are you not (definition: To act together secretly to achieve a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose; conspire) colluding?

Personally, I think you are just taking advantage of stupidity on the part of UB (fix the software obv.) All they have to do is fix their software, but instead they choose to go after players who found a loophole.

Take care of your customers UB, not really that hard.

 

Originally Posted by JLizard

Why are you shoving all in the first hand in every satty? Is there another player who is also going all in with you every time? Otherwise it just seems dumb. Was there another player at the table that you had a deal with to get it all in the first hand of every satty?

I was a UB sat reg off and on. How incredibly tilting listening to ignorant judgements like this. Like really? Don't u think he had a reason for going all in? If u think its dumb or was dumb to play at UB/AP sharkscope some of us bottom feeders like me beattrice etc. The sats were easy money. Now theyve changed...

there were so many overlays. Some of us always thought it amazing no one else knew. Like, I mean really. Every day. When ownership changed, they fixed it. But like really, how so few knew about them is funny.

 

Originally Posted by Drewdaddy19

I don't think we are getting all of the details and after some deliberation I think there is more to this than OP states. Why would you want to play there? Why not just try and get your lost funds and never play there again? Is there something about UB that you prefer over the other sites? Do you have friends on there that you want to play with? It all sounds really shady to me and the fact of the matter is that rather than giving the details in the op you waited until page 2 which leads me to think you may not be telling the entire story...

And Drew, you are making redic assumptions.