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Ughh...not sure what to do here.

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  1. Chet Steadman Chet Steadman is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 4:23am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #18088769167: The Fifty-Hundo (131137747), Table 80 - 6000/12000 Ante 1500 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:48:08 ET - 2010/02/01

    Seat 2: The Wabes (528,529)

    Seat 3: khatra (547,828)

    Seat 4: LBTRICE (134,448)

    Seat 6: SkillVille (181,426)

    Seat 7: MrSoloDolo17 (337,780)

    Seat 8: HojoMofo (264,795)

    Seat 9: WanaNana (368,571)

    The Wabes antes 1,500

    khatra antes 1,500

    LBTRICE antes 1,500

    SkillVille antes 1,500

    MrSoloDolo17 antes 1,500

    HojoMofo antes 1,500

    WanaNana antes 1,500

    WanaNana posts the small blind of 6,000

    The Wabes posts the big blind of 12,000

    The button is in seat #8

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to MrSoloDolo17 [As Kh]

    khatra folds

    LBTRICE raises to 36,000

    SkillVille has 15 seconds left to act

    SkillVille raises to 179,926, and is all in

    MrSoloDolo17 has 15 seconds left to act

    MrSoloDolo17 has requested TIME ???

    Okay so what is your move here? We've been at this table for quite a while now. I just doubled through with QQ > 10 10 right before this hand takes place. LBTRICE has been quite active and a 3x raise from him has generally been a steal. He has raise/folded quite often.

    Now, the tricky part is SkillVille's shove here. SkillVille has been super nitty since he has been at the table. He has folded to pretty much every raise he has been faced with. His shove over the top here kinda worries me. With these reads, what is the right play? I'm currently 6/14 at this point in the tournament. Do I have to make this call or is a fold appropriate here?

    I honestly was genuinely torn as to what to do here. I think normally I jam this in and am quite happy about it, but knowing that SkillVille has been playing super nitty makes me wonder. I just wanna make sure this isn't a big leak of mine here, so please let me know if my thinking is okay.

    Edit: Obv. I could just be over thinking the situation and SkillVille is light here, but I would think he would've found better spots for a resteal than this particular one.
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  2. louis_mallow louis_mallow is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 6:57am) in reply to Chet Steadman

    Your read points to AA-KK, QQ at outside, yes? Maybe another AK if you're lucky. So fold, yes?
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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 7:11am) in reply to louis_mallow

    dont fold.
     
  4. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 9:40am) in reply to Chet Steadman

    Ship it - 15ish BB stack shoved - however nitty he's been his range is wide enough to re-shove AK.

    my 2 cents
  5. car_t_a car_t_a is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 10:56am) in reply to Chet Steadman

    With zero reads this is a shove... with your super nitty read I could see a fold being ok as well because you are fairly deep... yeah, this is kinda a weird spot. I guess I would shove... it would be hard to imagine villain folding TT, JJ, AK, or AQ. Results?
  6. Chet Steadman Chet Steadman is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 2:30pm) in reply to car_t_a

    I folded and LBTRICE folded, so we will never know what SkillVille had for sure. Looking back though, Mander is absolutely correct. I should be getting it in here every time, no matter how nitty this guy has been. If I'm playing to win the tournament I need to be accumulating chips, and this is obviously a key spot that I missed. I ended up finishing 11th which was quite disappointing, but live and learn.
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  7. satchmo satchmo is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 10:47pm) in reply to Chet Steadman

    what is lbtrice doing folding after he puts in that much of his stack at this blind level????

    I'd have to think that when it's on you, you have to assume the rest of his stack is going in--subsequently, that would make a pretty decent sized pot to have a shot at with AK. And, if you lose, you're not out. . . .

    tough sometimes when you're that deep in a tourney, but thats the right decision. . .

    what mander said. . . .
  8. stiverson530 stiverson530 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 11:08pm) in reply to Chet Steadman

    definitely have to get it in here especially against unknowns, if Lbtrice was a reg you would have to put him on a big hand, but he's not. The great shaun deeb said to never give unknowns credit until they earn it. and its really hard for me to believe that skillville is not getting in AQ+ and atleast 10s+, I ship it in but like you said, its not a fist pump spot.
     
  9. Boandaro Boandaro is offline

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    Feb 2nd, 2010 (2/2/2010 10:13am) in reply to stiverson530

     
    Originally Posted by stiverson530 View Post

    definitely have to get it in here especially against unknowns, if Lbtrice was a reg you would have to put him on a big hand, but he's not. The great shaun deeb said to never give unknowns credit until they earn it. and its really hard for me to believe that skillville is not getting in AQ+ and atleast 10s+, I ship it in but like you said, its not a fist pump spot.

    If its a reg here the hand ranges would be much wider. I really do not agree with your line of thinking here.
     
  10. bighaley21 bighaley21 is offline

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    Feb 2nd, 2010 (2/2/2010 10:53am) in reply to Boandaro

    To be honest if its a reg id be more inclined to call..
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    Feb 3rd, 2010 (2/3/2010 1:21am) in reply to Chet Steadman

    your fold was correct. you have to trust your reads in marginal situations.you were too deep to shove. your M or total of blinds and antes for a round of play was over 11. if you lose this hand you could be as low as 5 with the blinds coming at you. dangerous territory.your read was correct as far as LBTRICE was concerned..he folded.good chance your read was right against skillville also.i think the only hand he makes that play with maybe, that you are not crushed or racing, is a-q. you also have three players behind you that can either bust or cripple you, yet to act. an autoshove with a-k against an early position raise and reraise can never be automatic.the bottom line here though is your stack size..your M was too much in the middle range to race here (best case scenario) if you had 150k or maybe even 180 (or was really deep)then it would be an autoshove.you definately played this hand correctly.
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    Feb 4th, 2010 (2/4/2010 11:02am) in reply to dtermined

    Folding AK here 5-handed is stupidly horrible.. And if youre assigning villain with the range of only AQ that you are beating your ranges are EXTREMELY nitty!
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    Feb 4th, 2010 (2/4/2010 2:01pm) in reply to Chet Steadman

    Yeah for sure get it in...even if Skillville has been nitty he prob knows that lbtrice is active, elevating his holdings so like he could have AQ AJ or some pair...get it in, win the flip, win the tournament...impossible to say he ONLY has AA KK making AK a good call
     
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