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  1. cotchery89 cotchery89 is offline

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    Sep 14th, 2011 (9/14/2011 1:01am)

    no reads, except hes a losing player...obv a $5 mtt

    i c/r turn because with his stack i feel he probably calls with draws/pairs etc

    what are we doing on this river?

    pokerstars Game #67472024954: Tournament #538010422, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (5000/10000) - 2011/09/13 16:24:43 PT [2011/09/13 19:24:43 ET]
    Table '538010422 85' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Cotchery89 (470200 in chips)
    Seat 2: xalbas11 (558670 in chips)
    Seat 3: hilbilipoker (677236 in chips)
    Seat 4: Sn1p0r (1184906 in chips)
    Seat 5: Bob5674 (859127 in chips)
    Seat 6: boons777 (853040 in chips)
    Seat 7: malefactor9 (476212 in chips)
    Seat 8: KUNIHIRO (123077 in chips)
    Seat 9: patatzak (510108 in chips)
    Cotchery89: posts the ante 1000
    xalbas11: posts the ante 1000
    hilbilipoker: posts the ante 1000
    Sn1p0r: posts the ante 1000
    Bob5674: posts the ante 1000
    boons777: posts the ante 1000
    malefactor9: posts the ante 1000
    KUNIHIRO: posts the ante 1000
    patatzak: posts the ante 1000
    patatzak: posts small blind 5000
    Cotchery89: posts big blind 10000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Cotchery89 [Th Qh]
    xalbas11: folds
    hilbilipoker: folds
    Sn1p0r: calls 10000
    Bob5674: folds
    boons777: folds
    malefactor9: calls 10000
    KUNIHIRO: folds
    patatzak: calls 5000
    Cotchery89: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Qs 9d 4d]
    patatzak: checks
    Cotchery89: checks
    Sn1p0r: bets 24500
    malefactor9: folds
    patatzak: folds
    Cotchery89: calls 24500
    *** TURN *** [Qs 9d 4d] [Qc]
    Cotchery89: checks
    Sn1p0r: bets 49000
    Cotchery89: raises 88000 to 137000
    Sn1p0r: calls 88000
    *** RIVER *** [Qs 9d 4d Qc] [Kd]
    Cotchery89: checks
    Sn1p0r: bets 300000
    Cotchery89:
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  2. leeroydafish leeroydafish is offline

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    Sep 14th, 2011 (9/14/2011 2:51am) in reply to Daggle

    A lot of his range has you beat - 4s, 9s and better Qs (QJ or KQ make sense given pre-flop play)

    I disagree with:
    "i c/r turn because with his stack i feel he probably calls with draws/pairs etc"

    He's not calling your re-raise on the turn with something like 10J as the stacks are now too shallow to get the right odds...... unless he's "that" terrible
    He either has the boat, better trips (on the turn) or an unlikely flush (maybe 10Jd on river)

    You're left with 30bb if you fold which is more than enough to recover
    Fold for me (but also interested in other answers)
    Edited By: leeroydafish Sep 14th, 2011 at 03:58 AM
  3. firoo firoo is offline

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    Sep 14th, 2011 (9/14/2011 6:47am) in reply to leeroydafish

    I vomit and fold. Although Hard to see him open limping with an ace given he is the biggest stack. Not many hands u beat that he is betting for value. Without reads it's a sick fold.
  4. McBain74 McBain74 is offline

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    Sep 14th, 2011 (9/14/2011 2:55pm) in reply to firoo

    I always hate these situations where you get players limping in and you check the button, you connect on the flop and your soon involved in a big pot with an opponet. With his bet on the river, I would probably fold imo. I think I put him on 44 or QJ, don't think I put him on J 10, he's not gonna limp with 99. So many players at these buyins love to limp with small pairs and/or connecting cards. Also I probably would of only called the turn instead of c/r.
     
  5. tyson219 tyson219 is online now Moderator

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    Sep 14th, 2011 (9/14/2011 3:24pm) in reply to McBain74

    It's a $5 MTT and a guy with 100+bbs limps in. His range is super wide and it's incredibly tough to range him. The problem with this hand is that there are very few hands you beat. The flush and straight get there. You only beat random Qx hands with a 8 kicker or less. 44 and maybe 99 boated up. As played, you have to fold. With respect to earlier posts, don't assume this villain is folding JTo. He's limping with a stack that should never limp and has a massive stack. He could easily call off without the correct odds.

    I don't really like a check/call and c/r on the flop and turn. I would probably lead the flop, lead the turn and lead the river. Assuming he just calls down flop/turn, I'd fold to a raise on the river.

    As played with the c/c and c/r, your hand becomes super exploitable as a villain can bet pretty much any hand here knowing you can only call with a boat or maybe the nut flush. I don't want to c/f when I have 320k behind and there's 360k in the pot. I probably bet 100-120k as a blocker bet on the river and fold to a raise.
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  6. Steve Murkle Steve Murkle is offline

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    Sep 14th, 2011 (9/14/2011 3:28pm) in reply to McBain74

    If you have no reads than fold. Also I think you can block bet/fold this river with 300k to a random in a $5. Everything got there so either that or c/f because without reads. A person in a $5 tourney has a lot more diamonds and 10j than Qx < 8 Combos in his limping range. You only beating bluffs and Q8

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    It's a $5 MTT and a guy with 100+bbs limps in. His range is super wide and it's incredibly tough to range him. The problem with this hand is that there are very few hands you beat. The flush and straight get there. You only beat random Qx hands with a 8 kicker or less. 44 and maybe 99 boated up. As played, you have to fold. With respect to earlier posts, don't assume this villain is folding JTo. He's limping with a stack that should never limp and has a massive stack. He could easily call off without the correct odds.

    I don't really like a check/call and c/r on the flop and turn. I would probably lead the flop, lead the turn and lead the river. Assuming he just calls down flop/turn, I'd fold to a raise on the river.

    As played with the c/c and c/r, your hand becomes super exploitable as a villain can bet pretty much any hand here knowing you can only call with a boat or maybe the nut flush. I don't want to c/f when I have 320k behind and there's 360k in the pot. I probably bet 100-120k as a blocker bet on the river and fold to a raise.

    ahhh you said it better than me and beat me to it... i see you
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  7. Ahurazor Ahurazor is offline

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    Sep 14th, 2011 (9/14/2011 6:29pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    It's a $5 MTT and a guy with 100+bbs limps in. His range is super wide and it's incredibly tough to range him. The problem with this hand is that there are very few hands you beat. The flush and straight get there. You only beat random Qx hands with a 8 kicker or less. 44 and maybe 99 boated up. As played, you have to fold. With respect to earlier posts, don't assume this villain is folding JTo. He's limping with a stack that should never limp and has a massive stack. He could easily call off without the correct odds.

    I don't really like a check/call and c/r on the flop and turn. I would probably lead the flop, lead the turn and lead the river. Assuming he just calls down flop/turn, I'd fold to a raise on the river.

    As played with the c/c and c/r, your hand becomes super exploitable as a villain can bet pretty much any hand here knowing you can only call with a boat or maybe the nut flush. I don't want to c/f when I have 320k behind and there's 360k in the pot. I probably bet 100-120k as a blocker bet on the river and fold to a raise.

    Agree with this 100%
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  8. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2011 (9/18/2011 9:36am) in reply to Ahurazor

    This should be a fairly easy fold. I wouldn't rule out him calling turn with JT or diamonds, in $5 tourneys you see a lot of unorthodox plays . You don't beat anything on the river.

    Also I much prefer to lead the flop, it will help you feel out the hand and define where you're at. I don't like the check raise on the turn - if you put him on a draw it is far more profitable to lead and make sure he pays to chase, because sometimes he would check behind and you get no more money in the pot.
  9. allani12 allani12 is online now Trolls for fake prop bets

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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 11:06am) in reply to tyson219

    1000% agree well said
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  10. bazingaking bazingaking is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 3:37pm) in reply to allani12

    c/r on the turn turns your hand so face up I just don't like that play and secondly if your are playing against someone drawing so obviously on the turn, just raise all in or raise larger to try and push him off his draws, if you want to c/r at all. On the river you're beating basically nothing so make the fold.
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