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  1. 888Brandon 888Brandon is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 3:13am)

    Really don't have any reads on the villian. I was multi tabling so play is against complete rando. The river is obviously what I am looking for input on. A5 as well as AcXc were two hands that I put him on before the river so it's definitely a scare card. If he has an A though does villian ever check raise this river with it?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #21811692021: Table 7 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:08:33 ET - 2010/06/22
    Seat 1: skerlok (2,705)
    Seat 2: 888Brandon (3,010)
    Seat 3: Kelly 179 (2,630)
    Seat 4: CementHead702 (3,135)
    Seat 5: bob sr3 (2,795)
    Seat 6: Bayside102 (5,010)
    Seat 7: robertwhitmer7 (2,330)
    Seat 8: New Horizon1 (885)
    Seat 9: kidcharisma1 (4,500)
    Bayside102 posts the small blind of 25
    robertwhitmer7 posts the big blind of 50
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to 888Brandon [5s 5d]
    New Horizon1 folds
    kidcharisma1 raises to 150
    Kelly 179: vnh
    skerlok calls 150
    888Brandon calls 150
    Kelly 179 folds
    CementHead702 folds
    bob sr3 folds
    Bayside102 folds
    robertwhitmer7 folds
    *** FLOP *** [5c 3d 3c]
    kidcharisma1 bets 375
    skerlok calls 375
    888Brandon calls 375
    *** TURN *** [5c 3d 3c] [As]
    kidcharisma1 checks
    skerlok checks
    888Brandon bets 650
    kidcharisma1 folds
    skerlok calls 650
    *** RIVER *** [5c 3d 3c As] [Ad]
    skerlok checks
    888Brandon ???
  2. gar2garvin gar2garvin is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 7:26am) in reply to 888Brandon

    def not checking it back
     
  3. trevor grady trevor grady is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 7:37am) in reply to gar2garvin

    Hmn... IMO, I don't usually raise with small medium pairs if there are two or even one busy calling centers behind me
  4. mdshack14 mdshack14 is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 7:51am) in reply to trevor grady

     
    Originally Posted by trevor grady View Post

    Hmn... IMO, I don't usually raise with small medium pairs if there are two or even one busy calling centers behind me

    what does this have to do with the op's question?
    What's the buyin? Might help in determining what hands the players are floating the flop with.

    Edit: And he didn't raise, he called.
    Edited By: mdshack14 Jun 23rd, 2010 at 07:52 AM
     
  5. dudlri dudlri is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 7:57am) in reply to mdshack14

    I doubt he ever has A5 or AcXc in this spot. and I've seen people who c/r with A in this similar situations but it's very unlikely..
    I really like your turn bet size. as play on the river I'd just check back
  6. CayneB CayneB is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 8:28am) in reply to dudlri

    I don't mind checking behind here.
  7. GutShotBen GutShotBen is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 8:38am) in reply to CayneB

    most of time vilain bet this river with a A......

    my 2 cents
     
  8. nezbit nezbit is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 9:03am) in reply to GutShotBen

    vs rando im betting here.

    if he raises with air then ur in a tough spot. i think he most likely only raises with you beat. so you can most likely fold if he comes over top.

    if you fail to bet and he has a hand that wouldve called then you lose out on value.

    You cant not bet because you are scared of getting raised...thats nit sissy poker, might as well not play if you have this mind set.

    my play is bet and fold to raise
    gonna be hard for most people to bluff raise river here.
  9. Diggs Diggs is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 4:10pm) in reply to nezbit

    Raise flop. As played b/f river small imo
    Edited By: Diggs Jun 23rd, 2010 at 04:16 PM
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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 11:23pm) in reply to Diggs

    villain clearly has an overpair to the 5, but lower than the A
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  11. DBordy DBordy is offline

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    Jun 23rd, 2010 (6/23/2010 11:26pm) in reply to Diggs

     
    Originally Posted by Diggs View Post

    Raise flop. As played b/f river small imo

    Dont raise flop, as played bet riv
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    Jun 24th, 2010 (6/24/2010 12:16am) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    villain clearly has an overpair to the 5, but lower than the A

    Doubt its that clear, how about some Xc Xc , and yea IM def never checking back here, bet for value if he raises you know what to do, re ship that shiz right in his eye
     
  13. 888Brandon 888Brandon is offline

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    Jun 24th, 2010 (6/24/2010 12:33am) in reply to jtj03

    Thanks for all the input guys. Not sure why but I really felt like it was a trap. I checked back and he just had a busted club draw so I wasn't getting paid off anyways. The results didn't matter though. I just wanted the input you all gave on whether in the early stages of a tournament if it is +EV to bet every time or check behind when you might have been sucked out on the river but you could still get out of the hand with chips by checking it back. Oh and I took the buy in out of it because I felt like I would get less biased or even more feedback. I think it was a $12 90 man K.O. on FT though. Again thanks for the input.
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