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  1. mathclub mathclub is offline

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    Apr 8th, 2011 (4/8/2011 8:12am)

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    Villian seems a competent-ish player, well at least as competent as you find at these things. He had played a few hands and was a little bit bluffy, but not overboard. He had 3b/folded my CO open from the button to a bb cold 4 shove from a short stacked agro player pre antes. I had checked raised him off a pot when he obv cbet with nothing. He had been called down on the river one time by a small pair after he cbet flop, checked turn and then fired again at river with Ace hi when a King (good bluff card) rivered. He had shown down legit hands most of the time apart from these spots and hadn't done anything horrible.

    Hand:
    Villain has 25k and opens utg to 500 at 100/200 w 25 ante. 3 other players call and I call from bb with Qh4h playing off 19k (starting stack was 12k).

    Flop comes Ah Qx 7h.

    I check, Villain bets 800ish, the other 3 players fold and I call.

    Turn comes Ah Qx 7h Qx.

    I lead for 1675 and villain makes in 5k. I call.

    River is a non heart 10, I check and villain puts me all in. So I have 12kish left, which is slightly less than pot.

    Do you call or fold??
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  2. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    Apr 8th, 2011 (4/8/2011 9:03am) in reply to mathclub

    folding, not sure what u r beating, not even kjhh
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  3. icufish icufish is offline

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    Apr 8th, 2011 (4/8/2011 11:50am) in reply to mathclub

    what's your image?
     
  4. random.chu random.chu is offline The People's Troll

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    Apr 8th, 2011 (4/8/2011 12:50pm) in reply to icufish

    i think online it would be closer

    live tho, from my experiences, the times they have it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the times they dont
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  5. The Spewtard The Spewtard is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2011 (4/13/2011 12:13pm) in reply to random.chu

    Not criticising but why did you lead turn? I think I'm only calling turn reraise and river shove if I have him pegged as a spaz.
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  6. the_dean22 the_dean22 is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2011 (4/13/2011 4:25pm) in reply to The Spewtard

    i think you sigh and make a pretty easy fold here
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  7. The Caretaker The Caretaker is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2011 (4/14/2011 10:43pm) in reply to the_dean22

    think your hand is so face up here, and he still put u there, im folding
     
  8. thedylan thedylan is offline

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    Apr 19th, 2011 (4/19/2011 6:37am) in reply to The Caretaker

     
    Originally Posted by The Caretaker View Post

    think your hand is so face up here, and he still put u there, im folding

    i think i agree with this
     
  9. icuucme23 icuucme23 is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2011 (4/20/2011 5:45pm) in reply to thedylan

    I hate leading out on the turn! Sets up to many weird spots like this but folding is prob the best bet
     
  10. TheSquid TheSquid is offline

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    Apr 21st, 2011 (4/21/2011 10:54am) in reply to icuucme23

    Agree with general read that live people have it in this spot way more than they don't. However, if he really has us beat why would he raise turn? One Q left so hard for him to have it and would he really raise 7's or Ace's full on turn with not much real history.
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  11. Sbervo Sbervo is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 (4/22/2011 7:33am) in reply to TheSquid

    does he look nervous?
    if so i might bluff catch
    Edited By: Sbervo Apr 27th, 2011 at 09:29 AM
  12. agriffrod agriffrod is offline 2010 WSOP #3 FT

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    Apr 27th, 2011 (4/27/2011 7:28am) in reply to mathclub

    too high level for me guys I HAVE NO CLUE
     
  13. Whatshoulditbe Whatshoulditbe is offline

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    Apr 27th, 2011 (4/27/2011 8:03am) in reply to agriffrod

    turn raise is suspicious. trips is so unlikely cus we have one of the Qs. FH is also unlikely cus seems like he'd just call there to try and let you catch up (pure speculation here)

    doesn't seem like there are many hands in his value range the way he played it
     
  14. gar2garvin gar2garvin is offline

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    Apr 27th, 2011 (4/27/2011 10:59pm) in reply to TheSquid

     
    Originally Posted by TheSquid View Post

    would he really raise 7's or Ace's full on turn with not much real history.


    We are leading the turn for 1675 into a pot that is ~4200. flatting 77 and AA there with these stacks on this board is losing heaps of value. I mean he cbet into a 5 way pot then put in a huge raise on the turn, I can't fathom ever being ahead. Doubt I do it in game but the turn is probably a fold as played and the river is def a fold.

    C/c turn & re-eval river.
     
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