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Very Deep in 12.5k guarantee Hand Advice please......

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  1. ohill1981 ohill1981 is offline

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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 4:47am)

    ok So i bought into another one of those $2.00 mtts field around 3500. players . Down to 40 players i am 25th . then get put in this spot... I am curious what you guys would have done in this hand ... I have been playing very tight and player involved in the pot i do not have any reads on . Opinions please!


    pokerstars Game #60699639944: Tournament #416010691, $2.50+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (6000/12000) - 2011/04/11 23:34:59 ET
    Table '416010691 391' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 2: shecandy (299699 in chips)
    Seat 3: pencilnose (321642 in chips)
    Seat 4: johnan89 (193212 in chips)
    Seat 5: baubb (349250 in chips)
    Seat 6: ohill1981 (267200 in chips)
    Seat 7: BobBorden (526857 in chips)
    Seat 8: libanos (1122325 in chips)
    Seat 9: bored84 (362444 in chips)
    shecandy: posts the ante 1200
    pencilnose: posts the ante 1200
    johnan89: posts the ante 1200
    baubb: posts the ante 1200
    ohill1981: posts the ante 1200
    BobBorden: posts the ante 1200
    libanos: posts the ante 1200
    bored84: posts the ante 1200
    BobBorden: posts small blind 6000
    libanos: posts big blind 12000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ohill1981 [Ts Tc]
    bored84: folds
    shecandy: folds
    pencilnose: calls 12000
    johnan89: folds
    baubb: folds
    ohill1981: calls 12000
    BobBorden: calls 6000
    libanos: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Th Ac 6d]
    BobBorden: checks
    libanos: checks
    pencilnose: bets 48000
    ohill1981: ?????????

    Obviously this is a strong hand and im not folding , but should i be shoving or just calling here ?
    Edited By: ohill1981 Apr 12th, 2011 at 04:49 AM
  2. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 5:09am) in reply to ohill1981

    For what it's worth, with TT on the button and sitting on ~23bbs, I'm 3bet/calling in this spot. You're not deep enough to set mine and playing post flop gets tricky since it's likely an over card will hit the flop.

    As played, it's a dry board. Definitely flatting the flop bet and reevaluating on the turn based on how many players remain in the hand and what drops on the turn. To be clear, by reevaluating on the turn, I mean deciding whether to flat, shove or check behind depending on the action. Never folding no matter what hits.
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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 5:12am) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    For what it's worth, with TT on the button and sitting on ~23bbs, I'm 3bet/calling in this spot. You're not deep enough to set mine and playing post flop gets tricky since it's likely an over card will hit the flop.

    As played, it's a dry board. Definitely flatting the flop bet and reevaluating on the turn based on how many players remain in the hand and what drops on the turn. To be clear, by reevaluating on the turn, I mean deciding whether to flat, shove or check behind depending on the action. Never folding no matter what hits.

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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 5:14am) in reply to bigdogday1

    flattin the flop and gettin it in everywhere, basically flattin to see if u maybe get one of the blinds to float too, most likely itll fold out and then if he leads turn , ship it in on him cause he most likely is double barreling an ace and wont fold. If he checks to u turn bet 54kish leavin him some jamming room and then obviously if he flats, jam all rivers essentially.
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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 5:37am) in reply to rungoodmuch

    We'll i ended up shoving my stack ... he called with A 10 [Th Ac 6d As 5d 4h] hitting Aces full of tens kicking my 10's full of aces to the curb.. I had thought about just flat calling him on the flop and maybe i would have got away from the hand after the Ace on the turn . possibly...
    Edited By: ohill1981 Apr 12th, 2011 at 05:44 AM
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  6. willmccoy willmccoy is offline

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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 5:41am) in reply to ohill1981

    Raise his limp in this spot and and jam all-in pre if he 4 bets! I assume you were attempting to play it safe here; As a lot of the players running 29/13 or 33/8 like to limp call shoves or jam in this situation! Regardless they usually spazz out with AJ/KQ/AT/KJ/99-55 in this spot as well; As i play these everyday all day. So you should be trying to get it in pre here most of the time; As most of the time they usually would open a real hand in this spot! And he he shows up with better just write it up as a cooler!

     
    Originally Posted by ohill1981 View Post

    We'll i ended up shoving my stack ... He called with A 10 and he turned a full house... Made me Sick , but thats poker i suppose .. After i am thinking now i should have just called and when the ace hit the turn i might have slowed down, but who knows.. probably going broke either way i play it .

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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 5:52am) in reply to rungoodmuch

    . I must say ... Im pretty burned out on these Micro MTT"S.. so much work to get 30$ Honestly thinking about only buying into tournaments over 20$ at least when i bust out deep ITM ill get more than 6$ an hr. Has anyone else written off these small tournaments ? or feel that the huge fields are just making it even more difficult to be a successful player? I view successful players tournament history's all the time on here and i almost never see those guys entering a tournament under 10$ even when they were just getting started.
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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 6:33am) in reply to ohill1981

    Hey man i play them everyday and busted deep last night in one. Just stay focused and you will be fine no one knows how you feel more than me trust me. Im bout to crash but will be hitting them tommorow but PM me and i will hit you up on skype! Know from the start the money is at the FT!!!
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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 7:20am) in reply to willmccoy

    raise/call pre...flat flop bet, reevaluate turn...deff never folding, ever, unlucky he got there

    low stakes mtts are probably the softest and most beatable tourneys online

    its all about putting in volume, playing good, and running good

    also, if you don't like bigger fields (more money) id suggest playing on a another site such as UB/AP, as the fields are usually much smaller
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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 9:27am) in reply to ohill1981

     
    Originally Posted by ohill1981 View Post

    We'll i ended up shoving my stack ... he called with A 10 [Th Ac 6d As 5d 4h] hitting Aces full of tens kicking my 10's full of aces to the curb.. I had thought about just flat calling him on the flop and maybe i would have got away from the hand after the Ace on the turn . possibly...

    In a spot like this one (23bb's) flopping a set, you're not looking to see how 'you could've gotten away from it', you're looking to see how you can get the chips in the middle.
    Calling a limp preflop is a mistake imo (for reasons explained above) but once you've done this, getting it in on the flop is GREAT (if you figure villain will call).
    Also as others mentioned, play a bunch of them. It's not uncommon to bustout of an MTT getting it in great. Play a bunch of them at the same time & it's not so hard on the head when you do bust out deep in one.
    I'd also consider lookiing into how to play on different stack sizes in an MTT (ie. shove stack, resteal stack, etc.... ie. 23bb's you're hoping to 3bet allin over a raise... but in this hand here, raise & get it in pre if you can).
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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 1:14pm) in reply to Poker Orifice

    please raise pre dont limp behind, as played shoving is fine mayb flat flop but never ever folding turn

    as for playin mtt's i made my roll from playin 2-10$ mtts gettin my first few 4 figs threw them so definately dont rule them out unless you are rolled for higher, mayb work on opening up your game a bit and not being tight, these r rediculously easy to pick up chips in the later stages jst b aggresiv
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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 7:44pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

    Hey thanks for the advice. But i am curious if i am raising pre flop with 10 10 with only 23bb's and let's say i get called and two over cards drop and i miss my set Normally i am folding here to a bet.... Is this too tight? .. I am still able to fold if i miss with roughly 20 BB remaining . Not disagreeing with you necessarily just would like a little more information on the benefits of raising pre flop with this hand as opposed to just limping in . Thanks!
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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 8:06pm) in reply to ohill1981

    i actually like the limp pre in this situation..the villian limped in early positioin which means he could be hoping someone raises behind and he would then possibly go over the top...so the limp pre is fine imo...on flop i definately call in hopes of having him be more aggressive on turn/river with aj ak aq...etc...In these fields, people will keep firing with any of the before stated hands so i call turn and then shove river.

    There is NO WAY u are even considering folding in this situation. Him making a boat is just bad luck, in any other case, that second ace on board would only solidify your double up. Stick to the micros, good players can do well there...

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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 8:20pm) in reply to CodyS23

    TT is a Top 3% hand in poker. Limping with the goal of set mining with that strong of a hand is a huge leak. You need to maximize the value you extract from hands this strong and limping does the exact opposite.

    In addition, it's best to be the aggressor in most hands. Limping doesn't give you the ability to do that. By raising and taking control of the hand, especially when in position, you have the ability to control the action and thus the pot. TT on the button combines a great hand with the best position and you need to maximize the value you extract in these situations.

    Limping TT and folding when overs hit the flop is definitely too tight. Playing hands like 99-JJ is difficult because you have to be able to play comfortably post flop. It's hard to tell you exactly what to do if 2 overs hit the flop. Depending on the villain's in the hand and the flop texture, sometimes it's best to check behind while other times a c-bet is better. This is something you have to learn through experience. When in doubt, I don't think anyone would fault you for raising pre and c-betting almost all flops and depending on the action, folding to a raise.
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