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  1. ucfchamp ucfchamp is offline

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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:25pm)

    pokerstars Game #41837754979: Tournament #303020016, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (50/100) - 2010/03/28 13:21:02 ET
    Table '303020016 343' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: madmax676002 (6475 in chips)
    Seat 2: UcfChamp (9900 in chips)
    Seat 3: rob131986 (10550 in chips)
    Seat 4: Palau777 (10025 in chips)
    Seat 5: superMikeyGG (10750 in chips)
    Seat 6: FigoMax (9305 in chips)
    Seat 7: Dhlads (850 in chips)
    Seat 8: yucca 48 (19625 in chips)
    Seat 9: coroco75 (9350 in chips)
    UcfChamp: posts small blind 50
    rob131986: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to UcfChamp [Qs Qd]
    Palau777: folds
    superMikeyGG: folds
    FigoMax: calls 100
    Dhlads: raises 750 to 850 and is all-in
    yucca 48: folds
    coroco75: folds
    madmax676002: folds
    UcfChamp: calls 800
    rob131986: folds
    FigoMax: raises 8455 to 9305 and is all-in
     
  2. jackson18249 jackson18249 is offline

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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:29pm) in reply to ucfchamp

    you're gonna have to win 25+ coinflips along the way to the FT so you may as well try and win your first one
     
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:30pm) in reply to ucfchamp

    dont think im folding
     
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:30pm) in reply to ucfchamp

    cant picture folding here ever
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:31pm) in reply to ucfchamp

    I'm going to fold here... too early to take a 100bb flip or run into KK
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:32pm) in reply to bdubz9180

     
    Originally Posted by bdubz9180 View Post


    I'm going to fold here... too early to take a 100bb flip or run into KK

    u think his range is AK,KK+??
     
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:34pm) in reply to okse54

    I think he's raising enough to call for sure.
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:36pm) in reply to okse54

    Range is obviously a tad wider than that... I'm just saying it's too early in the tournament for me to be aipf with 100bb's without KK or AA
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:37pm) in reply to Scarypooper

    Call
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  10. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:44pm) in reply to bdubz9180

     
    Originally Posted by bdubz9180 View Post


    Range is obviously a tad wider than that... I'm just saying it's too early in the tournament for me to be aipf with 100bb's without KK or AA

    stage of the tournament doesnt make any difference, its all about if we think we are ahead

    genrally in the early stages ppl dont end up all in for 100 BBs light and therefore the phrase "its too early to be all in with that hand" could apply bc u rarely see worse hands. but obv if u find a case early in a tourny where u believe u are ahead the concept "its too early" has no impact

    i think we r ahead alot here

    i have been seeing alot of limping with AA/KK in early position lately but its usually at a stage of a tournament where there are alot of shoving stacks and ur getting ppl to shove hands like A6 when they usually would fold to a raise. outside of the short stack there are 0 shoving stacks and i dont think limpind AA/KK is as likely
     
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:52pm) in reply to okse54

     
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post


    i have been seeing alot of limping with AA/KK in early position lately but its usually at a stage of a tournament where there are alot of shoving stacks and ur getting ppl to shove hands like A6 when they usually would fold to a raise. outside of the short stack there are 0 shoving stacks and i dont think limpind AA/KK is as likely

    there is a shoving stack at the table and it looks to me like he limped a monster to induce the shove of 850. Are we really expecting to see 66-JJ? or just praying to see AQAK ?
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:53pm) in reply to okse54

    bad players take this line with AA or KK all the time. just throwing that out there.
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 1:57pm) in reply to sXeffects

    my thoughts were similar to yours, 100bbs with qq seemed bad, not really bad, but bad, I thought at worse im racing, I was wrong, he had JJ, we both hit a set, and I felt like such a pu$$y after the results, ty for the input, gl today everybody.
     
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 2:05pm) in reply to bdubz9180

     
    Originally Posted by bdubz9180 View Post

    there is a shoving stack at the table and it looks to me like he limped a monster to induce the shove of 850. Are we really expecting to see 66-JJ? or just praying to see AQAK ?

    i honestly feel that the gain u get by slightly widening the single shortys range by limping and having him shove is not as much as the equity u lose the times he folds anyways. im not saying he cant have AA/KK i just think its much less likely bc theres only 1 shoving stack

    i think lower pps are a huge part of his range, i think this is a comon line u see alot of players do with low/medium pps. they are afraid to raise bc they dont feel comfertable being called and playing a hand that plays badly post flop oop. so they limp and set mine.

    then they see the shorty shove and they are confident they are ahead of his range and have full intention of calling if folded to them but folding if theres a raise

    they see a single call from the blinds, they view the call as weakness, the caller knows hes ahead of shortys range and hopes original limper will fold and can play shorty HU, but doesnt want to risk more chips and is willing to fold if raised by the bb or original limper

    limper decides if he can shove caller off his hand he gets to play vs shortys range which he is ahead of for great odds due to the dead money, also limper no longer likes the plan of set mining with the pot being a dead pot and his implied odds plummeting to an amount not really so favorable. so he shoves his 77

    so yes i think we can see worse pps, im not saying that this is how u would play low pps but i do think there are alot of people out there that would play them this way and u have to be able to assume that not everyone plays a hand exactly as u do.
     
  15. ucfchamp ucfchamp is offline

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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 2:10pm) in reply to okse54

    The only problem with this is he has 100 invested, I cant imagine risking 100 bbs when u have 100$ invested with a small pp. how do u go from one bb to a 100 bbs with a small pp or med pp.
     
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    Mar 28th, 2010 (3/28/2010 2:20pm) in reply to ucfchamp

    Smells like AK here
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