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  1. RJules12 RJules12 is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:31am)

    Hi my name is Ryan irl, and I play under the handle "RJules" on fulltiltpoker.com...where you can learn, chat, and play with the pros. I am somewhat of a high stakes regular, and the following incident occurred the other night while multi-tabling. I was playing 5 tables when I noticed that another hsmtt player was sitting out at my 30 rebuy table on FTP. I recognized his name and also saw that he was sitting at my Fifty Fifty table simultaneously. Thinking that I would want him to do the same, I tried to get his attention in the chat:

    RJules: yo welch
    s7ang folds
    RJules: ryan welch
    glowin20 folds
    passgolfer folds
    RJules: please answer
    ego_E_d_G_e_ has 15 seconds left to act
    ego_E_d_G_e_ raises to 300
    RJules: ryanwelch
    RJules: if u can read this
    RJules: ur sitting out in the 30r
    ryanwelch: oh fck
    ryanwelch: sigh
    ryanwelch: thx
    RJules: maybe u will pop it now
    RJules: gl
    RJules: send me 25% if u scoop
    ryanwelch: def

    He then sat back in at our 30r table and this hand occurred:

    Full Tilt Poker Game #15150051858: $25,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (110928593), Table 15 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:52:26 ET - 2009/10/05

    Seat 1: dubbydub2002 (18,911)
    Seat 2: pdi88 (25,285)
    Seat 3: RJules (15,554)
    Seat 4: ryanwelch (1,592)
    Seat 5: TheOracleAA (10,340)
    Seat 6: Longavi (10,185)
    Seat 7: stanman420 (5,090)
    Seat 8: xxxTheSecretxxx (6,555)
    Seat 9: The day 1962 (16,886)
    dubbydub2002 antes 25
    pdi88 antes 25
    RJules antes 25
    ryanwelch antes 25
    TheOracleAA antes 25
    Longavi antes 25
    stanman420 antes 25
    xxxTheSecretxxx antes 25
    The day 1962 antes 25
    RJules posts the small blind of 120
    ryanwelch posts the big blind of 240
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to RJules [Ac 7c]
    TheOracleAA folds
    Longavi folds
    stanman420 folds
    xxxTheSecretxxx raises to 720
    The day 1962 folds
    dubbydub2002 folds
    pdi88 has 15 seconds left to act
    pdi88 folds
    RJules folds
    ryanwelch has 15 seconds left to act
    ryanwelch raises to 1,567, and is all in
    xxxTheSecretxxx calls 847
    ryanwelch shows [3c Qc]
    xxxTheSecretxxx shows [Ah Qd]
    ryanwelch: 3
    *** FLOP *** [3s Jh 5c]
    ryanwelch: 33
    ryanwelch: 3
    ryanwelch: 33
    ryanwelch: 3
    ryanwelch: 33
    ryanwelch: 3
    ryanwelch: 33
    *** TURN *** [3s Jh 5c] [8s]
    *** RIVER *** [3s Jh 5c 8s] [2s]
    ryanwelch shows a pair of Threes
    xxxTheSecretxxx shows Ace Queen high
    ryanwelch wins the pot (3,479) with a pair of Threes

    He continued to chip up and as you can probably imagine, ryanwelch came back from 6.63 Big Blinds to win the 30r for $8,200! Very well done ryanwelch. I stayed up for about another hour after he won the tournament and awaited my transfer. It never came. I woke up in the morning and checked my pocketfives mailbox. In it was this:

    <span>
     
    Originally Posted by gutshtallin View Post

    Sent you 100bucks for the reminder today :) Thanks again

    My reply was this:
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    Originally Posted by RJules12 View Post

    I'm insulted. That is extremely weak on your part imo. If I were you I would have instantly sent the 25% we agreed upon in the chat. You're ranked in the world and everything. I guess I thought you had more class than this. Very disappointing...

    He replied:

     
    Originally Posted by gutshtallin View Post

    Are you joking? You expect me to give you 25% of a tourney win? First off, im a backed player so that is impossible anyway. Secondly, i was completely under the impression that you were joking. I thought 100$ was more than gracious to give you for just typing in a chat box(i have done this on many occasions and never asked for anything in return).

    Wow people are truly spoiled.....

    Now I want to hear what people think of this situation. Thank you and I look forward to hearing your responses. I will be checking the thread in order to justify my thoughts about the situation.

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  2. siola siola is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:37am) in reply to RJules12

    wha?

    thats some insaneo self righteousness on ur part- for someone that is a "high stakes reg", u sure come off as ridic busto
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  3. TpocketT TpocketT is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:37am) in reply to RJules12

    lol @ him owing you anything. way to post pms too.
  4. LockedUpLifer LockedUpLifer is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:39am) in reply to RJules12

    he doesnt owe u shit imo, be happy he tossed u a 100 spot.fuck, everyone trying to get something for nothing.
  5. byoonz byoonz is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:40am) in reply to TpocketT

    this has to be a level

    be happy he even gave you $100.
     
  6. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:40am) in reply to TpocketT

    seems pretty ridic to think he owes you 25%. he def recognizes you as a high stakes reg and probably thought you were kidding. no one would legit ask for 25% for doing someone a favor like that. when i read the chat u posted i no way thought u were serious in asking for 25%. 100$ is 100 too much imo.... i woulda just sent a pm saying thanks.
     
  7. the_schmenx the_schmenx is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:46am) in reply to RJules12

    Wow, how about just telling him because it's the right thing to do without even considering material rewards.

    Is this seriously for real?
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:47am) in reply to RJules12

    <span>RJules: send me 25% if u scoop</span>
    ryanwelch: def

    I'm not sure what the argument is. Proof right here. No lol's, No "haha, we'll see." Can't tell tones on the internet. Pay the man his money.
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  9. flywiithme flywiithme is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:48am) in reply to Grip

    a deal is a deal

    lol at people saying "is this a level?" He would have blinded out but instead he ripped the tourney for $8,200. His thanks is $100? I mean I can understand not wanting to send the full 25% esp being backed, but come on a 100 bucks? Rjules is not the one that comes off as cheap here.
  10. Dr Drewlius Dr Drewlius is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:54am) in reply to RJules12

    Pretty lame trying to call out Welch on this, he shipped you $100 for a complete air chat agreement. Change your sweatpants, they have too many boogers on them.
     
  11. triathlon4 triathlon4 is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:56am) in reply to RJules12

    I don't know ... yes, he does not have to give any money to someone that "just" reminds him that he is sitting out. But given the fact that he agreed to the 25% transfer in case of shipping ... that is usually considered a contract in any business area that I know of. He should have just said thanks and not commented on the 25% - but agreed to the 25% (if "def" is not meant in a sarcastic way) - so he owes 25%. A totally different question is whether it is ok to ask for money for a reminder but given the situation ... that does not matter here.
     
  12. Raysfeve Raysfeve is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 3:58am) in reply to flywiithme

    What a sick situation. I'm sure when both of you made this agreement neither thought anything of it. 25% is kinda steap. I'd settle for 500 and be cool with it. Especially if he's backed. And it was pure coincidence, freak occurance.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:03am) in reply to Raysfeve

    be happy with the hundred imo i would have thought u were kidding also
     
  14. MikeCaroJr MikeCaroJr is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:05am) in reply to Grip

     
    Originally Posted by Grip View Post

    <span>RJules: send me 25% if u scoop</span>
    ryanwelch: def

    I'm not sure what the argument is. Proof right here. No lol's, No "haha, we'll see." Can't tell tones on the internet. Pay the man his money.

  15. Mr. Blonde Mr. Blonde is offline Supreme Moderator

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:22am) in reply to MikeCaroJr

    RJ that is just ridiculous. Your request and his reply were in jest. But since he shipped it you expect something. Be glad you got anything.

    *edit* what is the significance of highlighting his "333333" table chat?
     
  16. Squinty Squinty is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:24am) in reply to RJules12

    Someone coming back from short stack to winning a tourney doesnt happen often and many ppl will accept deals that are 'impossible' and see it as a 'joke' in those spots. If the improbable happens its easy to get away from that spot saying 'lol, i was joking'. If you do agree to something crazy in writing, and it does happen, how do you go back on the agreement? I'm sure both parties didn't think the outcome would occur, but both parties agreed on % split. Its ez to say "def" when u think ur not cashing or min cashing but becomes harder when u hit top 3. i know there was a ton more work after the 1 hand to bring ryan to the number 1 spot but dont say 'def' and then back out if u run good and take it down. (been there with friends when i split 50% of each other in tourneys and it sux when they bust in the first 3 lvls and u run deep, but i keep my word)
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:29am) in reply to RJules12

    First of all if rjules doesnt say anything...welch without a doubt blinds out...waste of min 90 bucks if hes in for the abs min...he clearly agreed to the 25% which seems like alot...but it was if he won which he did...crazy that it happened but it did...then he sends 100bucks...why even send anything? Maybe 25% is too much but dont agree on it then...welch should pay up simple as that...he would have 8k less if it werent for rjules sayin somethin and that should be recognized...welch looks like a scum bag imo...k bye
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:29am) in reply to MikeCaroJr

    <SPAN class=hw>integrity</SPAN> <SPAN class=pron0x>[?n't?gr?t?]</SPAN>
    1. adherence to moral principles; honesty

    If RJules does not say anything, then ryanwelch is unaware, consequently blinds out - and does not get paid. However, he took the time to act diligent and professional towards a respected HS reg and advise him accordingly.

    It is amazing how quickly character and personhood is compromised when it comes to money. All of you responding with "be happy with $100" must not understand the basic principles of integrity so I'll do you all a favor for the take away:

    1. Ability to connect with others and build trust
    2. Oriented toward the truth and reality
    3. Finish well
    4. Embrace, engage, and deal with the negative (this exact situation)
    5. Oriented toward growth
    6. Have an understanding of the transcendent

    Please take accountability for your actions Ryan. We've chatted before in PMs and you seem like a good dude - my hope is you do what is fair and right pursuant to your commitment.
  19. Frank1The1Tank Frank1The1Tank is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:31am) in reply to RJules12

    I mean if I were him I would have just responded "haha" or "we'll see" or "lol". When he says def, it pretty much means ryanwelch is thinking "ya if i come in 1st which is highly unlikely id ship." But I don't blame him at all as even $100 is some compensation. That said OP is crazy for even asking for 25% in the first place and expect someone to take it serious. You prob didn't even take it serious until you saw him actually win.
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:33am) in reply to Frank1The1Tank

    actually he told me about what had happened while it was goin on and while he went on his miracle run...i was at the table with them both at a pt in the tourny after their chat had taken place
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:34am) in reply to allinblind

    i hope gutshtallin doesnt get a bad rap for this. he seems like a nice guy

    also, how fkin good is that guy? sick brag post for gutsht imo

    edit: lol gutsht prolly shoulda given up and taken 2nd. this is one of those times where 2nd place > 1st place. (that is if it was a solid deal/agreement, which i do not believe)
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:34am) in reply to KJulius10

    op learned a lesson IMO. don't remind him next time.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:39am) in reply to rocket5

    RJules arent you the same dude who told quiet winner to send you 1500 dollars for one hand history LOLLLL ? to even request 25% is beyond ridiculous. To go as far as to attempt to ruin someones name over something that wasn't even agreed upon or verified to the point where he should ever be held accountable is down right dirty. You seem liek a huge piece of shit to me.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:43am) in reply to rock3656

    If this isn't a level it's pretty sad...RW is the man and doesn't deserve this
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:45am) in reply to RJules12

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:48am) in reply to RJules12

    i think regardless if he is obligated to pay the 25%, you are a greedy, attention whore.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:48am) in reply to rock3656

     
    Originally Posted by rock3656 View Post

    RJules arent you the same dude who told quiet winner to send you 1500 dollars for one hand history LOLLLL ? to even request 25% is beyond ridiculous. To go as far as to attempt to ruin someones name over something that wasn't even agreed upon or verified to the point where he should ever be held accountable is down right dirty. You seem liek a huge piece of shit to me.

    FTR I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. My earlier post did not reflect the sentiment.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:50am) in reply to RJules12

    RW is a backed player. He has no authority to give any percentage away. Anyone with a functioning brain knows this and can tell when he says "def" it's in a dismissive joking way like when you're at the bar and you ask your boys if you can snag that 10 across the room. "def"
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:51am) in reply to rock3656

    First of all how can RJules be getting any hate from this? Seems like he went out of his way to let RWelch know he was sitting out. RWelch then agreed to a ridiculous deal, thinking there was a chance in hell. Then boom, prestoooooo. RWelch owes this man money. Although I think they could come to an agreement under 25%.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 4:53am) in reply to RJules12

    RJules,

    I know you from Bodog and you have always seemed like a cool guy but there's no way you can be serious about this 25%. That's an absolute joke. Obviously you dont believe in karma because telling someone they are blinding out of a tourney is something you should do as a nice gesture, don't do it because you are looking for a handout. You are better than this and are not a hustler. Ryan Welch is one of the most respected poker players online and is a helluva nice guy. He doesn't deserve this BS. The fact that he even shipped you $100 is pure gift to you. He obviously was joking about the 25%, there's no way anyone would agree to this BS. And the fact that you are trying to ruin his name over this BS is totally unbelievable. You are better than this. Karma, pass it forward.
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