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Very interesting river decision (FTP 18k early for my stack)

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  1. abelian abelian is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 3:25am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #13891186164: $18,000 Guarantee (102301077), Table 5 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:08:57 ET - 2009/08/08
    Seat 1: Gnome Show (8,850)
    Seat 2: dude904 (8,107)
    Seat 3: PhoenixInferno (13,137)
    Seat 4: Lucky Jessieli (11,985)
    Seat 5: Kotik-Narkotiks (4,145), is sitting out
    Seat 6: MADINAMES (5,830)
    Seat 7: LuckyDave26 (14,168)
    Seat 8: PokerQueen288 (1,576)
    Seat 9: Abelian (5,880)
    Abelian posts the small blind of 40
    Gnome Show posts the big blind of 80
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Abelian [8h 5h]
    dude904 folds
    PhoenixInferno calls 80
    Lucky Jessieli calls 80
    Kotik-Narkotiks folds
    MADINAMES folds
    LuckyDave26 folds
    PokerQueen288 has 15 seconds left to act
    PokerQueen288 folds
    Abelian calls 40
    Gnome Show checks
    *** FLOP *** [Jh 2h Th]
    Abelian bets 160
    Gnome Show folds
    PhoenixInferno calls 160
    Lucky Jessieli folds
    *** TURN *** [Jh 2h Th] [Kd]
    Abelian bets 400
    PhoenixInferno calls 400
    *** RIVER *** [Jh 2h Th Kd] [Qs]
    Abelian has 15 seconds left to act
    Abelian bets 960
    PhoenixInferno raises to 12,497, and is all in
    Abelian has 15 seconds left to act
    Abelian has requested TIME (about 4200 left)

    I know everyone is probably thinking easy call, but what could he have that I beat?

    Two pair turned into bluff

    Ah w/non heart -> probably just call river bet since he has straight (this is what I thought he had during the hand until is river shove)

    Smaller flush would have raised earlier in the hand probably

    I'm thinking he had some Ax suited like A3 A4 A5 etc...

    Thoughts?

    Buddy and I disagree.
  2. WiCane WiCane is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 4:13am) in reply to abelian

    i call, i also dont fold big hands
     
  3. Buckster316 Buckster316 is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 4:45am) in reply to abelian

    Close, but I call. I definitly think he's calling with Ace of hearts and shoving river. I think if he has nut flush he won't shove. He would want some sort of value hoping you call with straight.
     
  4. doomed222 doomed222 is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 9:58am) in reply to abelian

    I call 100/100 times. Please tell me your buddy was the one telling you to fold and you didnt and not the other way around. Terribad fold.
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 10:16am) in reply to abelian

    the all in bet on the river would scare the hell out of me here. It would be nice to take a look at his stats to see if hes the type of dude that would shove a straight here...........either way iam never folding here
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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 11:03am) in reply to abelian

    Snap call

    No way I'm EVER folding here. It's Ah wuthout another heart waaaaay too often to fold.
  7. abelian abelian is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 11:54am) in reply to doomed222

    Why teribad? I know everyone is thinking he missed nut flush and shoves the Ah with non heart, but Ace gives him the nut straight so you would think a call would be his play with the ace or maybe a smaller raise hoping to get value from two pair or smaller straight.

    The shove in my mind can only be some missed draw that he turned into a bluff or better flush. Maybe Kh and a nonheart makes more sense?

    I know I give people too much credit. I put him on some A3 A4 A5 suited hand that he shoved for value hoping I call with straight.
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