Visit the United States Poker Community | Visit the California Poker Community | Read more about the Launch of P5s Local
-
Havent posted any good hands recently, this one should illicit some good responses.
Mr. BraceletWinner aka Stammdogg has been rather active...
What yall think of:
pre?
Flop?
Turn?
River?
And what yall put him on?
pokerstars Game #: Tournament #178358159, $300+$20 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2009/07/16 0:44:18 ET
Table '178358159 77' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Booster_JJ (28213 in chips)
Seat 2: TDT07 (24426 in chips)
Seat 3: Stammdogg (61086 in chips)
Seat 4: Donkaroo22 (9842 in chips)
Seat 5: spiderweb80 (49328 in chips)
Seat 6: Titantom32 (38075 in chips)
Seat 7: bigegypt (56779 in chips)
Seat 9: DahJinerat (22625 in chips)
Booster_JJ: posts the ante 75
TDT07: posts the ante 75
Stammdogg: posts the ante 75
Donkaroo22: posts the ante 75
spiderweb80: posts the ante 75
Titantom32: posts the ante 75
bigegypt: posts the ante 75
DahJinerat: posts the ante 75
Donkaroo22: posts small blind 400
spiderweb80: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to spiderweb80 [Ad Kc]
Titantom32: folds
bigegypt: folds
DahJinerat: folds
Booster_JJ: folds
TDT07: raises 1075 to 1875
Stammdogg: raises 4075 to 5950
Donkaroo22: folds
spiderweb80: raises 9250 to 15200
TDT07: folds
Stammdogg: calls 9250
*** FLOP *** [Qh Js 7c]
spiderweb80: checks
Stammdogg: checks
*** TURN *** [Qh Js 7c] [As]
spiderweb80: checks
Stammdogg: bets 10000
spiderweb80: calls 10000
*** RIVER *** [Qh Js 7c As] [4s]
spiderweb80: checks
Stammdogg: bets 19500
spiderweb80:???????
Stammdogg: shows ?????? -
Posts: 5,588
Joined: May 05Jul 16th, 2009 (7/16/2009 7:45pm) in reply to spiderweb80
Well you put in a 1/3 of your stack, we should be shoving that flop, most of the time. But if you only think he has AA, i guess you're c/fing.
-
Posts: 5,588
Joined: May 05Jul 16th, 2009 (7/16/2009 7:48pm) in reply to ronkend
also i just vomited in my mouth after rereading the HH and seeing you c/c the turn and c/f the river
-
Posts: 5,588
Joined: May 05Jul 16th, 2009 (7/16/2009 8:01pm) in reply to spiderweb80
lol - if I were truly trolling you would know
-
I think this is a bad hand to post. With that being said, he's never flatting non paired hands. All is going to come down on his read of you and if he thinks you could be 4b light or not. His range is like TT+, and will be betting his entire range on the river. Your hand is entirely face up, and he's just gonna own you on the river. So if you're going to fold the river, just fold the turn. Bet the flop tho for sure, you have so much equity
Gags30 is an instructor at PocketFives Training . To get more of his advice and to watch his training videos, click here.
-
Posts: 4,719
Joined: Jan 06Jul 16th, 2009 (7/16/2009 8:32pm) in reply to Gags30
not too bad gagaroonnnii. I disagree w/ betting the flop tho, i think u need to just abort, even when the A hits you literally beat nothing but bluffs and lets be honest how often is he gonna be bluffing in this spot considering his 3bet/flat range. It looks like ur range nails this board so i doubt hes gonna put any chips in unless hes got it. Pre is fine tho im kinda surprised he flatted u here i cant think of any hands that its good to flat here. pretty ugly spot tho... as played riv is a pretty std fold id guessOriginally Posted by Gags30
I think this is a bad hand to post. With that being said, he's never flatting non paired hands. All is going to come down on his read of you and if he thinks you could be 4b light or not. His range is like TT+, and will be betting his entire range on the river. Your hand is entirely face up, and he's just gonna own you on the river. So if you're going to fold the river, just fold the turn. Bet the flop tho for sure, you have so much equity
doubt this is a bad hand to post either get ur head outa ur butt gags -
-
Posts: 1,688
Joined: Dec 05Jul 16th, 2009 (7/16/2009 9:50pm) in reply to spiderweb80
Well I guess I am a spewtard but with all that money in the pot I think I am jamming flop.
I think Stamm's range needs some room here 'cause he is in position and is getting decent odds on a call. So like if he really has the AA/trips I guess you have 4 outs (though I can't see how he just flats JJ/QQ pre, AA maybe though he must know u are calling shove so I doubt that one too), but even if he has KK you have 7 and if he has less than that he is prob folding.
If you call turn there how can u f river? Call on the end, imo he has K10s, ul. -
I mean for instance if he 3bets a 22bb stacks open, he's obv never folding to that stack size after 3betting... TDT07 has ~30bb basically i'm just thinking stamm prolly wouldn't be 3bettin that stack too lite (i cood be way wrong here) and in that case I like a shove pre instead of a 3x raise
Originally Posted by the_snail03
This is simply impossible for us to answer.Originally Posted by Whatshoulditbe
something nobody has mentioned... will stammdogg only be 3bet gettin it in with TDT07 or will he be 3bet/ folding a ton here?
-
Posts: 1,144
Joined: Dec 07Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 12:31am) in reply to doubledave22
Way out of my buy in level but I do think this is an interesting hand. My question is since you are obviously commiting yourself with the 4 bet why would he not just go ahead and shove KK/AA (unless you would fold pre which I doubt). Also Dave why do you say he beats nothing but bluffs even when the ace hits the turn, You think the only hands in his range are AA/QQ/JJ (or 77 I guess, I assuming we don't think he is flatting K10) even after spiderweb checks to him twice. Doesn't it kind of look like he has given up on the hand as you discussed? Sorry that I actually can't contribute but I have no idea what the hell he could have here, and I probably go broke on the flop or turn every time.Originally Posted by doubledave22
not too bad gagaroonnnii. I disagree w/ betting the flop tho, i think u need to just abort, even when the A hits you literally beat nothing but bluffs and lets be honest how often is he gonna be bluffing in this spot considering his 3bet/flat range. It looks like ur range nails this board so i doubt hes gonna put any chips in unless hes got it. Pre is fine tho im kinda surprised he flatted u here i cant think of any hands that its good to flat here. pretty ugly spot tho... as played riv is a pretty std fold id guessOriginally Posted by Gags30
I think this is a bad hand to post. With that being said, he's never flatting non paired hands. All is going to come down on his read of you and if he thinks you could be 4b light or not. His range is like TT+, and will be betting his entire range on the river. Your hand is entirely face up, and he's just gonna own you on the river. So if you're going to fold the river, just fold the turn. Bet the flop tho for sure, you have so much equity
doubt this is a bad hand to post either get ur head outa ur butt gags -
Posts: 7,332
Joined: Apr 07Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 2:06am) in reply to P33J
I'd almost chk turn here and pay off river bet...I'm def not getting in one pair this deep here...I mean everything he flats pre already has u killed except AK...AQ, QQ, JJ...might as well chk behind turn and call cheap river bet.
EDIT: Misread whole HH...there's like 45 in the pot and ur not even paying 1/2 of it. Just call and sigh. -
Posts: 4,719
Joined: Jan 06Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 2:28am) in reply to P33J
jacks beat u, queens beat u, AQ beats u AJ beats u (idk about him flatting either of these but mehhhhh idk)... obv aces beat u. Kings i dont see playing this way nor do i tens so wipe them outa his range tbh. Any hand that hes not turning into a bluff does beat you so your just banking on him bluffing here. Stamm knows better than to bluff in spots like this so idk unless theres alot of history ive missed or hes just lost his mind and decided to play this hand like shit i think ur in horrible shape vs his range here and id just give up post flop and not commit any more money. Your plan was to get it in pre and since that didnt happen and the board sucks just give up.Originally Posted by P33J
Way out of my buy in level but I do think this is an interesting hand. My question is since you are obviously commiting yourself with the 4 bet why would he not just go ahead and shove KK/AA (unless you would fold pre which I doubt). Also Dave why do you say he beats nothing but bluffs even when the ace hits the turn, You think the only hands in his range are AA/QQ/JJ (or 77 I guess, I assuming we don't think he is flatting K10) even after spiderweb checks to him twice. Doesn't it kind of look like he has given up on the hand as you discussed? Sorry that I actually can't contribute but I have no idea what the hell he could have here, and I probably go broke on the flop or turn every time.Originally Posted by doubledave22
not too bad gagaroonnnii. I disagree w/ betting the flop tho, i think u need to just abort, even when the A hits you literally beat nothing but bluffs and lets be honest how often is he gonna be bluffing in this spot considering his 3bet/flat range. It looks like ur range nails this board so i doubt hes gonna put any chips in unless hes got it. Pre is fine tho im kinda surprised he flatted u here i cant think of any hands that its good to flat here. pretty ugly spot tho... as played riv is a pretty std fold id guessOriginally Posted by Gags30
I think this is a bad hand to post. With that being said, he's never flatting non paired hands. All is going to come down on his read of you and if he thinks you could be 4b light or not. His range is like TT+, and will be betting his entire range on the river. Your hand is entirely face up, and he's just gonna own you on the river. So if you're going to fold the river, just fold the turn. Bet the flop tho for sure, you have so much equity
doubt this is a bad hand to post either get ur head outa ur butt gags
-
-
Posts: 2,250
Joined: Aug 07Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 4:59am) in reply to cgidd8
we can and shouldOriginally Posted by cgidd8
+1Originally Posted by MarkFSU1
shoving aipf bad?
how does stamm play AK here?
Why can't we just jam pre? -
Posts: 5,588
Joined: May 05Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 5:04am) in reply to swd805
Wat we're way too deep, and likely pin our range on 3 hands, JJ/QQ/AK.Originally Posted by swd805
we can and shouldOriginally Posted by cgidd8
+1Originally Posted by MarkFSU1
shoving aipf bad?
how does stamm play AK here?
Why can't we just jam pre? -
lead flop and fold if theres a raise, if he calls c/f the turn. u r beat and up against a set. So simple to figure out. if you jamming pre than thats terrible....AK is not a made hand ppl but I love how u all think.
-
Posts: 435
Joined: Nov 06Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 9:05am) in reply to swd805
Bro, I think this hand is noteworthy, b/c me an STAMM are both 60bb effective,I had 3 bet him quite a bit, and he had made quite a few calls vs me oop,
I mean I have no qualms about gettin this hand in preflop, but by him flatting me, it really thru me off. Also I thinki by shoving such a strong hand pre, we lose a lot of equity, I mean Im basically only getting called by hands I dont wanna be called by.
SWD805 u really open shove here?
I almost shoved flop.....but i felt like it nailed his range....
Turn didnt help me much either, judging from the range.. I personally think if i am going to proceed in this hand, I need to shove here...b/c I know hes capable of firing on the river.
Will wait to see if I get a few more responses before revealing, if yall even care what he has, b/c I think thats beside the pt... -
TERRIBLE AND OH TERRIBLE.
Originally Posted by spiderweb80
SWD805 u really open shove here?
I almost shoved flop.....but i felt like it nailed his range....
JJ+ IMO. if its air than WP by stammdogg....Plz muck ur hand -
Posts: 435
Joined: Nov 06Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 10:02am) in reply to elee
i love how a $6 player feels the need to berate, and criticize plays, which they couldnt begin to fathom..Originally Posted by elee
lead flop and fold if theres a raise, if he calls c/f the turn. u r beat and up against a set. So simple to figure out. if you jamming pre than thats terrible....AK is not a made hand ppl but I love how u all think.
-
Posts: 1,229
Joined: Nov 06Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 10:32am) in reply to spiderweb80
He's got you covered. Your 3rd raise put in over 1/3 of your chips.
I don't want to give up the button with a hand that is strongest seeing all 5 cards.
Shove pre all day. -
Posts: 7,910
Joined: Jun 05Jul 17th, 2009 (7/17/2009 10:38am) in reply to spiderweb80
He's actually a live 1kNL player (his threads are lol worthy).Originally Posted by spiderweb80
i love how a $6 player feels the need to berate, and criticize plays, which they couldnt begin to fathom..Originally Posted by elee
lead flop and fold if theres a raise, if he calls c/f the turn. u r beat and up against a set. So simple to figure out. if you jamming pre than thats terrible....AK is not a made hand ppl but I love how u all think.
I'm small time, but I'm having trouble understanding why shove isn't the best option, or at least the most preferable option. There is already 8k + blinds and antes in the pot. Hero has approx 50k in chips and villian has approx 61k. Your 4bet here places about 30% of your chips in the pot. So really 4betting to 15k and 4bet shoving likely contain very similar ranges for your hand. (Maybe you're only 4betting to 15k here so Stamm can place some airy hands in your range? But I don't know why you'd want to do that against stammdogg in this spot with him already showing some strength 3betting the 25ish BB stack, plus you're OOP.) If you're going to raise it up at all I just think the value of your AK comes from seeing all 5 cards, and since you're less likely to be up against AA or KK it probably, at least to me, makes more sense to put the pressure on Stamm with a shove. Interesting hand though. -
HAHAHA yes i play small online....such an unworthy post...this hand shouldnt even be spoken of...this was played terribly end thread
Originally Posted by spiderweb80
i love how a $6 player feels the need to berate, and criticize plays, which they couldnt begin to fathom..Originally Posted by elee
lead flop and fold if theres a raise, if he calls c/f the turn. u r beat and up against a set. So simple to figure out. if you jamming pre than thats terrible....AK is not a made hand ppl but I love how u all think.
-
4bet 18k pre... then he shoves or folds.
rest of the hand becomes a total guessing game. with your smaller 4bet, what are you trying to accomplish, induce a shove? meh, im not feeling it. i like a shove more than your 4bet size... 18-19k pre > shove > 15k.
Similar Threads
-
39 Replies
Tough spot in $55 80k on stars. Shove or fold? Edit: Results posted - pg 3
By Chris Doggy in Poker Discussion
Last Post: Feb 28th, 2009, 09:09 PM -
17 Replies
Weird River spot in the 320 -- Results posted now
By Wein in Poker Discussion
Last Post: Dec 18th, 2008, 12:08 AM -
17 Replies
Strange spot w/ KQ (results posted)
By orucker in Poker Discussion
Last Post: Aug 7th, 2008, 07:39 PM -
9 Replies
Interesting hand from tonights 65k gtd (Results now posted)
By The Sour Diesel in Poker Discussion
Last Post: Jun 2nd, 2008, 12:13 AM -
43 Replies
100$ rebuy....tough spot EDIT:RESULTS POSTED
By SN8WMAN in Poker Discussion
Last Post: Sep 25th, 2007, 05:51 PM
-
PocketFives Monthly PLB
Player Score 1 Grip 3,559.38 2 Gettin Daize 3,263.93 3 Flush_Entity 3,248.29 4 matfrankland 3,081.68 5 ahustla16 2,993.75 6 LeChiffre19 2,805.13 7 moorman1 2,751.80 8 Naza114 2,591.01 9 RenRad 01 2,581.95 10 Mutha Flushaa 2,568.30 -
Recent PocketFives Awards
-
killswith187
$100k
May 27th, 2012
-
Its nap time
$1 million
May 25th, 2012
-
aces_up4108
Triple Crown
May 25th, 2012
-
ruxandescu
$500k
May 24th, 2012
-
-
Tweets from P5ers
hardLiQOURhikUP
2012-05-27 17:29:51
RT @UnusuaIFacts: Hitler's mother considered abortion but the doctor persuaded her to keep the baby.
hardLiQOURhikUP
2012-05-27 17:27:46
RT @UnusuaIFacts: A study found people with lighter eye colors (blue, green, hazel, grey) have a higher alcohol tolerance.
hardLiQOURhikUP
2012-05-27 17:27:35
RT @UnusuaIFacts: French kissing a.k.a tongue kissing exchanges more bacteria than licking the inside of a toilet bowl in a public rest ...
hardLiQOURhikUP
2012-05-27 17:27:08
RT @UnusuaIFacts: 81% of people never noticed that, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF.
bazeman11
2012-05-27 17:27:04
Anybody in Vegas wants to go to watch okc vs spurs at 530 at lagasses stadium at palaazo hit me up got two extra seats on table #
Frank1The1Tank
2012-05-27 17:26:32
@adamjunglen There's no way I'd be able to read my notes if I wrote all of them with a stylus lol.
hardLiQOURhikUP
2012-05-27 17:26:09
RT @UnusuaIFacts: You would have to consumer over 1,500 pounds of marijuana in order to overdose.
F_RiosO
2012-05-27 17:25:04
RT @AngelGuillen25: 1/3
Andrew_Robl
2012-05-27 17:24:25
RT @allinfor1drop: About to meet @Andrew_Robl and very happy about it! Everybody is #allinfor1drop today, keep it going! #rippleeffect
ArgentinaBoy
2012-05-27 17:23:55
Arrived in Vegas, chillin with the homies now http://t.co/3n9Jq8aY
JCAlvarado1
2012-05-27 17:22:39
@sbrounder haha had a feeling you'd be the first to tweet... he's so sick. I went nuts. Only thing better would've been a full RATM set.
hardLiQOURhikUP
2012-05-27 17:21:40
RT @UnusuaIFacts: McDonald's salads contain up to 60% more fat than burgers.
hardLiQOURhikUP
2012-05-27 17:20:10
RT @UnusuaIFacts: Humans aren’t the only species that partake in oral sex; cheetahs, hyenas, and goats all go down too.
Buffyslayer1
2012-05-27 17:19:50
sigh 10th in 11 cube, just lost flips
Joe8Chat
2012-05-27 17:17:48
Ooooosssshhhhhhh http://t.co/3F8tCHy6
DanOBrienPoker
2012-05-27 17:17:46
RT @Bhara99: @DanOBrienPoker lol at the guy making an account
hardLiQOURhikUP
2012-05-27 17:16:46
RT @UnusuaIFacts: Tobacco is the leading cause of death in America, more than any other drug or alcohol. Yet, it is legal.
hardLiQOURhikUP
2012-05-27 17:16:07
RT @SoMindBlowing: If Eve doomed the world for an apple, what would she do for a Klondike bar #mindblown
Joe8Chat
2012-05-27 17:15:13
Heads up #FDMD
Joe8Chat
2012-05-27 17:13:08
Turbo joe 1/4...
BonzoC
2012-05-27 17:08:50
FML como puede ser tan mala la calidad del internet en Mexico?!
adamjunglen
2012-05-27 17:08:25
@Frank1The1Tank Stylus >>>> typing notes on ipad.
bankrollme87
2012-05-27 17:08:21
hey @coreyburbick did you know this flight has inflight wifi?!?!
sketchy1poker
2012-05-27 17:06:32
i like how darius rucker is known as darius rucker and not "that douchebag from hootie and the blowfish." WHO U HIDIN FROM BRAJ? #fb
Joe8Chat
2012-05-27 17:06:24
“@MrLawsey: @MissLucyCassidy
KYSupr3macy
2012-05-27 17:06:12
RT @UKCoachCalipari: Congrats to @dariofranchitti & @AshleyJudd on winning the Indy 500. I saw it was your 3rd time. I know u both a ...
basebaldy
2012-05-27 17:05:40
@killahmcgillah thanks! Yeah he's not much of a bluff target.
Frank1The1Tank
2012-05-27 17:05:01
Has anyone used an iPad for note taking or writing a lot (with a keyboard) and if so how is it?
DanOBrienPoker
2012-05-27 17:04:07
This guy created an account for this, his only tweet lol RT @elitistcritic: Results oriented commentating FTW courtesy of @danobrienpoker
Joe8Chat
2012-05-27 17:03:38
Turbo Joe in full force... Taking no prisoners the kid!!! POW
DanOBrienPoker
2012-05-27 17:02:00
RT @luckybrownie: @DanOBrienPoker what is your claim to fame? Mooching off Merceir ?
DanOBrienPoker
2012-05-27 17:01:40
RT @TheReader23: @Bond_18 @DanOBrienPoker You want critique? You weren't belittling anyone?How about "I think I need to go & buy a s ...
OUdlanger610
2012-05-27 17:01:20
@dreday227 yes sirrr. Land in a little over an hour then going straight to the rio
DanOBrienPoker
2012-05-27 17:01:16
RT @JeanineDeeb: “@bwickertpoker: @JeanineDeeb - can someone tell these commentators that no one cares about their acl” <~ @DanOBrien ...
bigdogpckt5s
2012-05-27 16:59:29
Just lost 25k flip ak to qq all in pre. Am I ever gonna win a flip live?
PocketFives Rankings
| Player | PLB | PRO | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
1 |
Flush_Entity | 1st 7,569 |
2nd 15 |
|
2 |
Gettin Daize | 3rd 7,210 |
3rd 16 |
|
3 |
Big Huni | 9th 6,652 |
1st 14 |
|
4 |
weavel | 2nd 7,408 |
13th 28 |
|
5 |
mtstackin88 | 4th 7,034 |
10th 23 |
| Country | Top 20 PLB |
P5s Members |
Prev Rank |
||
| 1 |  Canada |
103770 | 1924 | 1st | |
| 2 |  United Kingdom |
102421 | 1855 | 2nd | |
| 3 |  Costa Rica |
89458 | 123 | 4th | |
| 4 |  Australia |
88336 | 994 | 3rd | |
| 5 |  Mexico |
87509 | 184 | 5th |
Denmark
Russian Federation
Sweden
Brazil
Germany
© 2012 PocketFives.com