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  1. jackaaron jackaaron is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 10:08am) in reply to tNaCarN

    I think we're all trying to exploit (and induce) mistakes in our opponents. Does it matter what method we take to induce and/or exploit those mistakes?

    He seems to get more calls when he wants them (from players that call when they should fold) and more folds when he wants them (from players that fold when they should raise). He goes about it in an "incorrect" manner according to popular poker theory, but I'm just saying. And, he certainly busts more often than the better players in this thread, while doing this.

    I could be completely wrong in the sense that he has absolutely no idea how to induce or exploit ANYONE'S mistakes, and he's just playing hands "because it's fun."
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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 12:59pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    what ship and others dont realize, is that the beauty of poker is that there is NO CORRECT way to play it! while im not too familiar with his strategy....it is working, and he is producing results. it seems as if a lot of the high stakes MTT pros are jealous of vietcong01 (sctrojans for sure), otherwise you wouldnt be talking about him. If you felt he was so bad, youd just be quiet and let him continue playing and set him up. Based on the hand histories ive seen, i could never play like that, but hey.....he has proven Beyond any doubt that his style is working in the status quo of online poker. remember, results speak for itself..... just look at kido pham, he has been known to make questionable moves to acquire chips. my ramble is now done lol.
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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 1:10pm) in reply to pman82

    i stopped reading right about here -> ".it is working, and he is producing results."

    obv you didnt read the whole thread and for some reason i think Jamie Gold is your hero.
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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 1:18pm) in reply to pman82

    LOL at this.
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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 1:21pm) in reply to CDaniels

    that goes without saying bro.
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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 1:31pm) in reply to owler

    say what you will.................and btw , jamie gold is horrible, total difference. any player, bad or good can get lucky in ONE tournament.........but you dont win 4 plus major online tournies without doing something right...........hey, maybe its bc noone has adjusted to it. the odds of winning this many tournies without a winning strategy is astronomical.
  7. pman82 pman82 is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 1:36pm) in reply to owler

    four plus major tournies in a 4-6 month window is what i meant..........obviously what he is doing is working in the current online environment........like i said.......maybe its because noone is adjusting to his style of play.........id like to see what people say after he pulls in another one.
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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 1:50pm) in reply to Thiag

    I agree with him, everyone is jealous because he is producing these sickening results. If he is so terrible, then why does he continue to close the biggest fields online,. If he was so shit then all you people who play with him would have taken his chips before he even makes the FT. Even though he may have a ton of leaks in his game, he is consistently making it deep.
  9. boozhwaa boozhwaa is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 1:53pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    I have a new favorite player. TheHero!
  10. Ship Happens Ship Happens is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 4:44pm) in reply to donkkkkk

    lol donkkk how do u take his chips when he wins every 30/70 he plays? I thought you were actually a thinking player and had somewhat of a clue.
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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 10:36pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    i like him. jus cuase he dont paly the way people in CR and xfactor play he is bad. no way,. people need to adjust to the game. with everyone on a site, all the plays become predicatble. he wins to much to be luck, he is good, get over it
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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 10:39pm) in reply to 85off

    85off you are absolutly clueless. he is not good, he is terrible. u get over that.
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    Nov 23rd, 2007 (11/23/2007 11:17pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    I think you're a good guy but this is a dick stance to take.
  14. ParadiceCity ParadiceCity is offline

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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 12:40am) in reply to 85off

    I want to take a spin on PXF with vietcong01!!!!
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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 12:50am) in reply to ParadiceCity

    His metagame is a 10.2!!
  16. Hateflops Hateflops is offline 7 over par. ship it!

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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 1:36am) in reply to catfan17

    I really hope he hits numerous 1 outters on ship.
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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 2:22am) in reply to warden

    This is a balsy move to get chips without showdwn and he makes it look like he has no fold equity so if he is pushed overtop he knows he's beat. He prob went with his read and put djalminha on Ak or 99 tt (who knows). I find the move fascinating and his post flop play really throws ppl off.
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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 2:56am) in reply to Hateflops

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeenious!!! His metagame is a...

    10.2
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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 3:00am) in reply to Maits10

    I have $100 to the person who can find a dumber reply to this thread than Mr. Queso's (page 2)...
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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 6:23am) in reply to jeffbeesdat

    jeffbeesdat says:
    The dude is awfull and he is an angle shooting POS. I have seen him on multiple occasions act like he doesn't understand a word of English until he is clearly in need of something. Mark my words. He will give all his money back and more. Just don't expect it to happen this week.

    -Jeff

    does his last paragraph just smell of jealousy and hatred????? this statement here just prooves just how UNobjective these high stakes MTT players are being.... what on earth does this have to do with anything? Ship happens is one of the most inhumane players ive seen at the tables, calling people absolutely everything in the book.......but is he a great poker player? NO DOUBT.
  21. pman82 pman82 is offline

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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 6:28am) in reply to Ship Happens

    Additionally, IMO, i think that sample size leaves more to debate in determining if a player with bad stats may actually be good than determining if a player with good stats may actually be bad. for example, if a good player plays 500 tournies and has been a victim to bad variance, and shows bad ROI, top 3 percentage, etc etc., he is more likely to be a good player than a player with 500 tournaments who has had had numerous HUGE victories, great ROI, Incredible top 3 percentage is of being a bad player. This is partly because to consistently win tournaments, you have to be able to close, and when closing you are playing the tougher players....

    like i said before, a bad player may get lucky once, lightning could strike twice, but to have 4 MAJOR online wins, and several other major top threes, something hes doing is currently working.
  22. ParadiceCity ParadiceCity is offline

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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 10:26am) in reply to pman82

    The ideal goal of a poker player should be to maximize results while minimizing variance. If you can acheive an roi either with high variance or low variance why would you not acheive that roi with low variance, that would be better.

    Vietcong01's style is obviously HIGH variance whether or not it is a strategy with a positive roi expectation. If it was a low variance style, then he is kicking all of our asses, gg sirs.

    I also believe that strategies with high variance are capable of pulling off higher roi's, not saying that this is vietcong01 though.
  23. POKER_PANDA POKER_PANDA is offline

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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 10:39am) in reply to DaShmol

    I like blueberriers cause they taste red. ship $100 kthxbye.
  24. owler owler is offline

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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 11:32am) in reply to ParadiceCity

    hm?
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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 11:59am) in reply to Michael_B

    I love this post

    I've thought about this too.....

    I agree... good players are not willing to go all in with 1.5X average stacks or higher unless
    they feel they are a 70/30 favourite
    vietcong feels that the only way to get a chiplead is to take those odds (30/70)
    and hope to get lucky, because if he does, then he's got a massive chip lead
    and wins the tourney (182k and all his other scores?)

    I never felt that using long term expectation theory in critical points in tourneys
    ever accounted for the fact that if you win, you win so much
    and think about the image you get while doing this (as someone else in this thread pointed out)
    now you get paid on all your hands in all future tournaments.
    what about that long term expectation?

    the fact is everyone is a by the book player now, the only way to get chips
    is to shake them up and fuck with their head
    acting like a retard is +EV if you do it the right way at the right time
    i think the extent to which you skillfully manage that, gets you results like
    vietcong and pissed off people like ship, which is what you'd be trying to exploit
    in the first place

    EDIT: ok I just read all the posts above me and all of this has been said already
    you people are smart :)
  26. Autolobotomist Autolobotomist is online now playing air is my style? so what

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    Nov 24th, 2007 (11/24/2007 12:39pm) in reply to Ship Happens

    YEAH! All you top players suck it now huh? Donk style gets it done now huh? Ya like that!?

    *pelvic thrusts*

    *deposits life savings*

    *donk-fu*
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