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Beginning June 7th playing online poker will be treated the same as engaging in child pornography onlne in washington state. The penalties include long prison sentances and fines.
Does this strike anyone else as being incredibly supid ?
Exactly how does onliine poker and internet child pornography equate to the same thing in the eyes of the state ?
If you don't beleive me it was in todays Seattle Times, took me by complete surprise. The thing that doesn't make any sense was the severe penalites and the classificaion of the crime as being the same as internet child pornography. -
kinda late.
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are there any new updates on legislation for nationwide ban
f*ck the republicans
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About time they do something about this illegal online poker.
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A Felony..You got to be kidding?
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Do not know if its true but someone posted a thread on this topic claiming it was only if you played with a site that was located in the state of Washington?
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I think im going to throw up, or move to canada one or the other.
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fuck our state of washington
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SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/271844_internetgambling27.html
Time for gamblers to fold
At least if you play online poker, which becomes a felony on June 7
Saturday, May 27, 2006
By SAM SKOLNIK AND VANESSA HO
P-I REPORTERS
Beginning next month, Washington residents who play poker or make other types of wagers on the Internet will be committing a Class C felony, equivalent under the law to possessing child pornography, threatening the governor or torturing an animal.
Although the head of the state Gambling Commission says it is unlikely that individual online gamblers will be targeted for arrest, the new law carries stiff penalties: as much as five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
The new law, which takes effect June 7, passed the Legislature this year without much public attention. But word has begun to spread among gamblers online and in old-fashioned "brick-and-mortar" card rooms, and the players aren't pleased.
"To say playing poker in card rooms is legal but that it's a felony to play online is insane," said Kerry Welsh, 47, of Bellevue.
Welsh is considering taking a wireless computer outside the state Capitol when the law takes effect and playing Internet poker as a protest until he's arrested.
Nobody knows for sure how many Washingtonians gamble online, but the practice is huge and growing, fueled by the popularity of Texas Hold 'em in televised tournaments and multimillion-dollar events such as the World Series of Poker.
In 2005, revenue from online poker sites was estimated at between $1.5 billion and $2.6 billion in the United States, according to various gambling publications.
The Justice Department believes Internet gambling is prohibited under several federal laws, including the Federal Wire Act.
As a result, most of the big, popular gambling sites are operated outside the United States and aren't directly regulated by the U.S. or state governments.
The Washington law, which upgrades online gambling from a misdemeanor, was an effort to be compatible with federal law, said state Sen. Margarita Prentice, D-Renton.
The law applies to all online gambling.
Gambling Commission Director Rick Day and Prentice, who sponsored the legislation, said the law is necessary, partly to protect the gamblers themselves.
Online poker games invite organized crime and money laundering, they said, and it's easier for dishonest players to collude against unsuspecting opponents. And when online gambling operators refuse to pay winners their proceeds, some gamblers have said there is little recourse.
It's also as addictive as other forms of gambling, they add, and more accessible to minors.
Day said the intent of the new law is not to give agents greater incentive to track online gamblers and throw them in prison. Jailing small-time online gamblers is "not the focus of our work," he said.
But he confirmed that commission agents had gone to the homes of several state gamblers (fewer than half a dozen, he said) about a year ago to warn them that such activity was illegal. No one was arrested.
In fact, no one has ever been prosecuted in Washington -- or anywhere nationally, according to gambling publications -- strictly for gambling online.
Day said his priorities are to go after national and international promoters or operators based in Washington state -- and increasingly, to warn gamblers about the risks and illegality of the activity.
Prentice said the measure had the backing of the state Attorney General's Office and the gambling commission. Lobbyists from the card room industry and tribal casinos were almost entirely absent from the effort, she said, even though they stand to benefit from the new law.
The bill passed unanimously in the Senate and with just five dissenting votes in the House. It was signed into law by Gov. Christine Gregoire on March 28.
Criticism of the new law, some of it targeting Prentice, has appeared on various blogs and gambling news Web sites. Much of it centers on the argument that online gamblers have the right to gamble if they choose.
Those concerns were echoed by poker players at several card rooms around Seattle this week.
"What, is Homeland Security going to get involved in this one?" said poker player Wyatt Wettland, 25, during a break at Goldie's Shoreline Casino on Aurora Avenue North. He said he plays online every other day, for two to three hours at a time.
A gas station manager, Wettland said he plays online for free, but wants to start playing for money to try to win one of the large jackpots, which are often thousands of dollars. But he had to wait for his credit-card debt to go down.
Up the street at the Drift On Inn Roadhouse Casino, a man who offered only a first name, Nick, was about to join his first card-room game after playing countless games online. He said the online games have helped him learn the game.
"A felony? That's harsh," he said of the new law. "I think as long as you're 18, you should be able to gamble."
Free or "play money" online poker games are legal, and will not be affected by the new law. But some in the state play poker online for large amounts of money, and a few are even trying to make a career out of it.
Another player, 25-year-old Jeremy, said he'll disregard the new law. "I don't care, I'll still play," he said.
With a degree in wireless communications, Jeremy said he used to work in tech support. But poker is his full-time job now. He figured he spent 20 hours a week playing online and another 20 hours in card rooms. Once a month, he heads to Las Vegas. He is never far from a computer, which sometimes has three games going on at once.
"Everyone plays poker online. People play poker on TV and celebrities endorse it. It seems like it'll be tough to crack down," he said.
He said he has parlayed $1,000 into $13,000 and often wins jackpots of $4,000 to $5,000. Other times, he quits after losing $3,000. But most of the time, he's ahead, he said.
"Poker players don't consider it gambling," he said. "When you win consistently, there's actual skill in it."
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P-I reporter Sam Skolnik can be reached at 206-448-8334 or samskolnik@seattlepi.com.
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I don't live in Washington but I know they are big on lotteries and B&M casino's. This seems like a bit of a ploy to scare people out of their homes and into the casinos. Either way this is the most ludaris and corrupt thing I've ever heard of. Ohhhh Canada.
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Sen. Margarita Prentice, D-Renton
The "D" in stands for Democrat. -
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO??? Im going to college near Olympia this fall, so what am I supposed to do?? PLEASE TELL ME!!!!
PLZ PM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
dude i strongly doubt that they will enforce this...it seems like one of those over the top initiatives created to divert attention from more serious issues.
and not F republicans. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF Democrats! -
First, alcohol was evil. Then, the Feds found it to be profitable. Making alcohol legal put the Kennedy's out of business and cut down on bootleg murders.
Casino gambling was illegal til many states saw the potential profit and jumped on the bandwagon. Texas is still stupidly losing tax dollars with people taking money out of state.
Now, Washington State and the Feds want to try and shutdown online gambling instead of regulating the industry??? You'd think they'd learn. The people's voice will be heard, but I'll be damned if the battle isn't irretating. No wonder Asia keeps bribing our politicians for trade agreements, then go on tv to say, "Americans are 'tupid!" -
TacoBellGood... what are you gonna do?
GO TO JAIL!!! HaHaHa. Wow this sucks.. GG online poker in Wash State. -
...just one more reason why ya should move to Canada -- big taxes in general, but none on winnings (!) and the state does not tell you you can't play poker on line. (and for that matter you can smoke a spliff on the street or in cafes and no one cares much at least ion in Vancouver).
I always thought WE were s'posed to be the socialists and YOU USA'ers were supposed to be the libertarians?
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I'm not too concerned.
First of all, it was illegal to begin with. Now they're just increasing the punishment so that it equates to child pornography and stealing a car. It would suck if they caught you playing online poker while looking at child pornography in a stolen car, for sure.
I don't see how they are going to patrol this. The feds did the same thing with illegal music downloads, and everyone still downloads music. Now the Washington State government is doing it with online poker, and everyone will still play online poker.
It's pretty clear to me that the WA government is doing this because they're not getting any money out of it right now. They're not getting tax dollars or any revenue from online players in the state, and this is just a ploy that they hope can make them an extra buck.
It's all about the money when it comes down to it, and that's what this legislation is all about. I'm not worried. -
Best thing to do: follow the money!
We know who is inconvenienced by this law, but who stands to benefit $$$-wise from this?
The B&M and their lobbyists do. They are behind it; how much so is the questioni.
It's the only thing that makes sense to explain this situation. -
No, we are a democracy. Eventually, the people will win, and online poker will be legal, yet regulated so we can keep the money here in the US.
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If it goes nationwide then Gov. can require the poker sites to block all US accounts and IP's..
Not possible? Can Canadians play on Bodog? -
"No, we are a democracy. Eventually, the people will win, and online poker will be legal, yet regulated so we can keep the money here in the US."
Your Assuming that the majority of the Voters play online Poker...
In reality it Probably isn't even close... -
wow
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My understanding on the bodog situation, is that bodog is located in Canada and thus the govt can tell bodog what to do. US Govt cant force foreign sites to block IPs.
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Ok, WTF is going on here. I think now u can't even take a piss without the goverment getting excited. I live in canada so i dont know what will happen here but what BS. Complete BS. As if u didnt know lawyer's suck and u should've voted for AL Gore :P
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