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DMMikkell??Originally Posted by TMLMS13
can't remember name, I know it was a male, ask ApesAreFun, he might now. I think it was cause Annette simply wasnt able to play that day so she let someone else play on her account.
I could be wrong, it was 3 years ago, but in the end it doesnt really matter who it was or why. -
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Joined: Jan 07Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:10pm) in reply to pikappraider78
Yeah --- I mean pretty much this. Nothing is going 2 be done here.Originally Posted by pikappraider78
yah... my guess is some baller has a friend who donks around in low stakes and played the tourney on his account. not much can be done to prove it if its a ghosting caseOriginally Posted by DFish
there's almost 0% chance this guy was legit, someone who plays 5$ rebuys doesn't go and randomly play 5k wcoop and play sick, esp without winning a satty, it seems way too obvious, but it couldve just been someone ghosting in which case theres really nothing that can be done
It is 10000% obvious it's either ghosting or MAing as mentioned above but there is nothing anyone can do as long as the account is legit and I would bet it is. Guy played great but what are you going 2 do email stars and say you know what this guy just played so damn sick, there's no way it was really him ... LoL - nothing will be done w/ this at all. -
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Joined: Aug 05Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:10pm) in reply to bobthefish
Alright, this can be easily remedied.
If someone deep in the tourney with cause to see if this was an MA emails them and says "please look into him" all stars has to do is check the records of the transfers comin in, and obviously the person who xferred him the money is either a)ghosting him, or b) thats his second account.
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Joined: Jan 07Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:20pm) in reply to Plattsburgh
Really?! Stars will just do this ... I'm j/w Matt ... if you sent me $5,500 or w/e and I played this and won it for say $1.8M ... Stars would look into it and take it away? I understand that I've played more volume/higher amt. of buyins , etc. ... but I'm juss sayin ...Originally Posted by Plattsburgh
Alright, this can be easily remedied.
If someone deep in the tourney with cause to see if this was an MA emails them and says "please look into him" all stars has to do is check the records of the transfers comin in, and obviously the person who xferred him the money is either a)ghosting him, or b) thats his second account.
-Matt
Say you were like OK man I'll stake you in this and I won and ppl sent e-mails complaining ,,,, they would/could lock up the accts and the money?
What if you said to stars ... I just let my buddy play this tourney, there is such good value in it, huge prizepool, I have a lot of $$$ so I Xferred him $ and he played it ... <<< My feeling is that stars couldn't do shit to anything. -
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Joined: Oct 06Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:20pm) in reply to Plattsburgh
Not sure if a MA would have been stupid enough to use a player transfer, but stranger things have happened.Originally Posted by Plattsburgh
Alright, this can be easily remedied.
If someone deep in the tourney with cause to see if this was an MA emails them and says "please look into him" all stars has to do is check the records of the transfers comin in, and obviously the person who xferred him the money is either a)ghosting him, or b) thats his second account.
-Matt
From the looks of his OPR, it looks like some big name uses it as a second/unknown account during big series, and lets his little brother or something play on the rest of the time. -
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Joined: May 07Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:24pm) in reply to Run 4 Shelter
Hello Nicholas,Originally Posted by Run 4 Shelter
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Thank you for your report.
We will run the proper investigations in order make sure he integrity on our site is
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It simply isn't realistic to believe that PS can monitor every single player and transfer and know who is or isn't multi accounting/cheating/whatever. You are assuming way too much if you really believe that they have ppl that just sit around and try to find multi accounters all day.
And while you may be right to a certain extent that we could all be wrong about this and it is just an amazing coincidence, we as players are not wrong for playing detective when it comes to this. Had it not been for the players, the UB scandal would have never came out, or at least not as soon. Hell, I read Joe Sebok's blog this morning about his announcement as a UB pro and was astonished at how much his acceptance relied on outting ALL of the superusers on that site.
Like you said, you are just taking the other side bc most ppl aren't (lol who knows why) but you just come off as an enormous douche. And that means a lot coming from a poster who doesn't have too many fans around here bc of my attitude. -
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Joined: Jan 06Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:25pm) in reply to Mike Kowal
nobody is going to stake u for a 1 time thing for a $5200 buy-in ... unless they are ghosting/playing for you... do you know anybody that would give u 5k so you can lose it mike??? how some of you are so naive is so beyond me... it has happened plenty of times before and can continue happening if nothing is done about it... the person that played the $5 and $10 tourneys on the undon wannit is not the same person/same brain that got 2nd place in the $5200 WCOOP Main Event... and shelter OMFG hope u put ur scores in ur profile and u have more than $10 cases cuz u sound like a complete toooooooooooooooooooooool bagOriginally Posted by Mike Kowal
Really?! stars will just do this ... I'm j/w Matt ... if you sent me $5,500 or w/e and I played this and won it for say $1.8M ... Stars would look into it and take it away? I understand that I've played more volume/higher amt. of buyins , etc. ... but I'm juss sayin ...
Say you were like OK man I'll stake you in this and I won and ppl sent e-mails complaining ,,,, they would/could lock up the accts and the money?
What if you said to stars ... I just let my buddy play this tourney, there is such good value in it, huge prizepool, I have a lot of $$$ so I Xferred him $ and he played it ... <<< My feeling is that stars couldn't do shit to anything. -
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Joined: Jul 09Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:32pm) in reply to Cptnsmakaho3
no offense, but your father is no DJK. it takes much more than luck tog et that far.Originally Posted by Cptnsmakaho3
Might be a MA'ER but... My dad plays low limit MTT'S and he was about to deposit the $5,200 to play the wcoop. I convinced him it was a bad idea cause moorman and other top notch regs would rape him with endless 3bets. He decided not to deposit and play some $3 donkaments instead. So anything is possible. If I didnt convince him not play it and some miracle he FT's. He would be getting accused as well.
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Joined: Dec 06Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:45pm) in reply to Soccerstud74
I'm pretty sure Mike was just using this as an example of a legitimate excuse someone could use, not that he actually thought Udon randomly got staked legitimately in the biggest online tournament of the year..Originally Posted by Soccerstud74
nobody is going to stake u for a 1 time thing for a $5200 buy-in ... unless they are ghosting/playing for you... do you know anybody that would give u 5k so you can lose it mike??? how some of you are so naive is so beyond me... it has happened plenty of times before and can continue happening if nothing is done about it... the person that played the $5 and $10 tourneys on the undon wannit is not the same person/same brain that got 2nd place in the $5200 WCOOP Main Event... and shelter OMFG hope u put ur scores in ur profile and u have more than $10 cases cuz u sound like a complete toooooooooooooooooooooool bag
There's really no chance something isn't fishy here, the guy plays super low stakes, so it's pretty obvious that he's not some cash game baller who only plays the biggest tournaments here and there, and due to how well the guy was playing/the fact that he bought in directly, there's literally a 99.9% chance this was either multiaccounting or he was ghosted by someone very good at hsmtts.
The final hand definitely looks like he was trying to avoid the spotlight that comes along with being the winner of this tournament. -
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Joined: Jan 07Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:45pm) in reply to Soccerstud74
OK - I said 10x it's obviously a MAer or some1 ghosted this acct. It couldn't be any more blatant --- I know many people that play $50-$150 ABI levels that played this / got staked for this. How would this time be any different just because it is a $5k buy in. I hypothetically could have been staked for this event --- All I'm saying is there isn't a damn thing stars will do ... even though it couldn't be more obvious it wasn't this $10 ABI person playing this tourneyOriginally Posted by Soccerstud74
nobody is going to stake u for a 1 time thing for a $5200 buy-in ... unless they are ghosting/playing for you... do you know anybody that would give u 5k so you can lose it mike??? how some of you are so naive is so beyond me... it has happened plenty of times before and can continue happening if nothing is done about it... the person that played the $5 and $10 tourneys on the undon wannit is not the same person/same brain that got 2nd place in the $5200 WCOOP Main Event... and shelter OMFG hope u put ur scores in ur profile and u have more than $10 cases cuz u sound like a complete toooooooooooooooooooooool bag
& Just b/c someone staked me for a $5k tourney doesn't mean they will lose it, random donkey retards win the Sunday Million every week ... Say for example, just a random madeup example -- Plattsburgh has $2M in lifetime profit and I am a close friend of his ... There is a decent chance he would put me this tourney.
--- I've been backed by someone for a live 1 time $4,800 thing before ... it happens all the time, obscure backing arrangements happen a lot esp. for a tourney with $1.8M for 1st.
Like DFish said ... All I'm doing is giving you bullshit stories and excuses of what these people will do 2 cover it up and I HIGHLY doubt that Stars will be able to do anything unfortunately. -
Let's say it's MA, he entered this tourney with the clear understanding that there's a 1 in 2200 shot he'll win. If there wasn't a pre-planned story the person is MA and stupid. I haven't seen any proof yet he is a MA, so we have to believe he luck boxed his way to 2nd. It happens, look at Darvin Moon.
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Joined: Sep 06Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:54pm) in reply to rebelfd
But we can actually see Darvin Moon - check his ID, and see that he played every hand dealt to "Darvin Moon".Originally Posted by rebelfd
Let's say it's MA, he entered this tourney with the clear understanding that there's a 1 in 2200 shot he'll win. If there wasn't a pre-planned story the person is MA and stupid. I haven't seen any proof yet he is a MA, so we have to believe he luck boxed his way to 2nd. It happens, look at Darvin Moon.
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Joined: Jul 09Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 7:55pm) in reply to Soccerstud74
i'm pretty sure people have gotten staked for the WSOP ME as a one time gig. not saying this is a person being staked. the clues certainly make it seem like he MA'ed or casper the ghosted.Originally Posted by Soccerstud74
nobody is going to stake u for a 1 time thing for a $5200 buy-in ... unless they are ghosting/playing for you... do you know anybody that would give u 5k so you can lose it mike??? how some of you are so naive is so beyond me... it has happened plenty of times before and can continue happening if nothing is done about it... the person that played the $5 and $10 tourneys on the undon wannit is not the same person/same brain that got 2nd place in the $5200 WCOOP Main Event... and shelter OMFG hope u put ur scores in ur profile and u have more than $10 cases cuz u sound like a complete toooooooooooooooooooooool bag
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Joined: Dec 05Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 8:02pm) in reply to KYL3 Anderson
Maybe he has rich friends that dont really care if he wins or loses, or he has 500 friends that pitched in $10. OT sent WAR to the wsop by pooling money together.
I give money to my friends who suck at poker, im just a nice guy. -
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Joined: Jun 07Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 8:40pm) in reply to DFish
this could be some random live bro or watever. many people buyin into the main event every year to take a shot so maybe he wanted to in the biggest online event. im just sayin. but i hope stars checks on everything.
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Joined: Dec 06Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 8:41pm) in reply to DFish
I think this is a MA case too. but in 2007 the_v0id got caught because he was totally stupid and did it very obvious. I am sure all the MAers nowdays have learned the lesson from that. Therefore I suspect the MAer in this case would leave any concrete evidence for stars to convict him.
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I agree with this ( I did see him play for a bit). But ppl keep saying he bought in directly but couldn't he have won a seat through step sngs? I mean, you can win a seat in the step sngs to the ME for like $7.50 if you start at step one so obv there is going to be a few low-limit players in the 5200.
Originally Posted by DFish
Guys, just to make this clear, there is NO CHANCE that this was a low stakes player, he was playing poker at a very high level, and there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that this was not just a case of random guy luckboxing his way to the top.
However, how does he play ABI of $15 in NL holdem for a few months and then, one of his first PLO tournies he plays a $2100 buy-in? How did a low limit grinder get the BR to play this? And if he did have a BR to buy-in to this why would he play such a high $ amount on PLO if he's running the likes of $3 rebuys in NL? NL is way bigger than PLO is and most people who play low limit NL would never think about buying into such a tourney. This to me is what is most suspicious. -
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Joined: May 06Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 9:07pm) in reply to Whatshoulditbe
ok i watched him play to the left of djk for 2-3 hours and i was pretty blown away how fearless he was playing with his avg buyin. cosign everything dfish said, the way he was playing was not normal for a low stakes player with his avg buyin. he changed gears really well, just look at the hand that busted peachymer.
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lol @ someone thinking NOBODY could ever give someone a 1-time stake of 5k. Do you have any idea how wide a variety of people from all walks of life play online poker? You realize there are rich people in this world, and people with rich friends, and I guarantee you that there are a couple hundred of the 2k+ people who joined the 5k who were just random rich donks taking a 5k shot (or being staked for said 5k shot) and irl people can do whatever the hell they want with their money. In fact, as a poker player, that is the exact free money that I want to continue being added to prize pools. That being said, this is def not the case here, but for you to say that so matter-of-factly that NOBODY could stake someone for a 5k is just naive.
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Joined: Apr 07Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 9:11pm) in reply to POKER_PANDA
It's either a dumbazz MA trying to look crafty, a hsmtt reg who borrowed someone elses acct, or he was ghosted the whole time. Obv all of these have different levels of punishments/ethical dilemmas, but if you think this was just a normal acct and nothing shady is going on ur just plain phucktarded and I seriously wonder how you get out of bed each day.
And agree, you can pay someone 5k to enter the mtt...altho slim, it's still possible if ur gonna ghost the person/be around to help them with decisions, and have another shot at making huge money if 5k isn't a huge deal. I've thrown people in 215 ftops that are big on one time stakes just cuz I know they are competent and I'm hoping for run goods of a lifetime. So, it's def possible. -
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Joined: Apr 07Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 9:12pm) in reply to POKER_PANDA
can someone post that hand?Originally Posted by POKER_PANDA
ok i watched him play to the left of djk for 2-3 hours and i was pretty blown away how fearless he was playing with his avg buyin. cosign everything dfish said, the way he was playing was not normal for a low stakes player with his avg buyin. he changed gears really well, just look at the hand that busted peachymer.
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Joined: May 06Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 9:17pm) in reply to fcdunkin
dont have it, but basically djk opens, he flats with ak, peachymer flat on button with aq. Axx flop, djk makes std cbet, he flats, peachy flats, turn x (completes inside straight draw), djk checks, he checks, pechymer bets like 3/4(?) pot, djk folds, he (basically) shoves, peachy timebanks and calls. it was really unorthodox. he was flatting non stop oop, playing pots on the final table bubble, check raising, cbetting. he had ALL the moves. no way, literally no way, that this was a low limit player. i mean maybe a .1% chance who just happened to guess all the right moves at all the right times.
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pokerstars Game #33134975141: Tournament #200909045, $5000+$200 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXVIII (40000/80000) - 2009/09/21 22:46:31 PT [2009/09/22 1:46:31 ET]
Originally Posted by fcdunkin
can someone post that hand?
Table '200909045 90' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: reddeevil (3432220 in chips)
Seat 2: Mudvaynes (940972 in chips)
Seat 3: Jovial Gent (13242966 in chips)
Seat 4: djk123 (12900610 in chips)
Seat 5: Udon Wannit (3238458 in chips)
Seat 6: Chong94 (3541482 in chips)
Seat 7: Xaston (1570576 in chips)
Seat 8: PeachyMer (3337956 in chips)
Seat 9: Supa4real (674760 in chips)
reddeevil: posts the ante 10000
Mudvaynes: posts the ante 10000
Jovial Gent: posts the ante 10000
djk123: posts the ante 10000
Udon Wannit: posts the ante 10000
Chong94: posts the ante 10000
Xaston: posts the ante 10000
PeachyMer: posts the ante 10000
Supa4real: posts the ante 10000
Supa4real: posts small blind 40000
reddeevil: posts big blind 80000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Mudvaynes: folds
Jovial Gent: folds
djk123: raises 80000 to 160000
Udon Wannit: calls 160000
Chong94: folds
Xaston: folds
PeachyMer: calls 160000
Supa4real: folds
reddeevil: calls 80000
*** FLOP *** [As 3h 7c]
reddeevil: checks
djk123: bets 366000
Udon Wannit: calls 366000
PeachyMer: calls 366000
reddeevil: folds
*** TURN *** [As 3h 7c] [5h]
djk123: checks
Udon Wannit: checks
PeachyMer: bets 1000010
djk123: folds
Udon Wannit: raises 1702448 to 2702458 and is all-in
PeachyMer: calls 1702448
*** RIVER *** [As 3h 7c 5h] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Udon Wannit: shows [Kc Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
PeachyMer: shows [Ad Qh] (two pair, Aces and Fives - lower kicker)
Udon Wannit collected 7272916 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7272916 | Rake 0
Board [As 3h 7c 5h 5c]
Seat 1: reddeevil (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Mudvaynes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jovial Gent folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: djk123 folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Udon Wannit showed [Kc Ac] and won (7272916) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 6: Chong94 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Xaston folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PeachyMer (button) showed [Ad Qh] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 9: Supa4real (small blind) folded before Flop -
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Darryl for the low limit guys like us can you please give us some specific examples of what exactly he did with some HH's. Im just curious as to exactly what kind of plays that he/she made that are only exclusive to you high stakes players.Originally Posted by DFish
Guys, just to make this clear, there is NO CHANCE that this was a low stakes player, he was playing poker at a very high level, and there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that this was not just a case of random guy luckboxing his way to the top.
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Joined: Jun 06Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 9:24pm) in reply to AFink93
just played the 109 on stars. who is at my table? LOL. you guessed it. Udon Wannit.
from 1.3 million to the 109 freezeout.
after i busted i told him
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I'm def no DFish, but from what I saw he was 4 bet quite frequently in very nice spots. Especially at the FT w/ that lineup, he definitely held his own vs. djk and jg.Originally Posted by AFink93
Darryl for the low limit guys like us can you please give us some specific examples of what exactly he did with some HH's. Im just curious as to exactly what kind of plays that he/she made that are only exclusive to you high stakes players.
There is obv more situations, but that really made me think if it was truly a n00b playing. I just dont think w/ his stats and experience he has the heaaaaaaaaaaaaart to 4bet like he did imo -
that hand with peachy dont mean shit. sure a good player will flat there to reduce variance when they fully well know DJK will put them in light but so will somebody playing scared. im not saying he was playing scared just that the hand is pretty pointless to bring up.
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102421 | 1855 | 2nd | |
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89458 | 123 | 4th | |
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88336 | 994 | 3rd | |
| 5 |  Mexico |
87509 | 184 | 5th |
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