quick...link plz??

what happen????? fill us in

odd to me that you guys don't know yet...

Short version: Stoxtrader has admitted to multi-accounting and using the account "40putts" - which the 2+2 nerds have linked to collusion.

Druff has a full report on our site / 2+2 has a bastardized version of it where Mason Malmuth refuses to allow an email to be posted there - obv we have said email on our site.

Don't want to link to spam my forum... we've always been friendly with P5's. If a mod thinks it is link-worthy it can easily be found on DD.

that's the nvg thread...the main one in the high stakes forum started by viffer is here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...ussion-733894/

It's about 1500 posts and going now...pretty serious allegations and definitely more to come.

I before E people, sheeesh

Tuesday, March 16, 2010

<H1>Stoxtrader Nick Grudzien cheating scandal updates </H1>

Update: Stoxpoker released this statement on 2+2

"In the last few days various allegations have been made that I have played on multiple accounts on FTP and Stars and that by doing so I have violated the terms and conditions of the sites and also cheated in ways including colluding. The relevant facts are:

(1) At no point have I ever colluded. This is a categorical denial without exceptions.

(2) I played on a single account on FTP and a single account on pokerstars for the previous four year period through January 2010. The only exception to this was when I made instructional videos.

(3) In January 2010 I created one new account on FTP and one new account on Stars. I played on these accounts for roughly one month and have not used them since. During that time these were the only accounts on which I played at these sites. I have not played poker since March 7th, and will not play again until I receive communication from a pokersite that I am able to do so.

Since I have admitted to breaking the TOS of stars and ftp I don't plan on playing any poker until I receive communication from the pokersites that it is ok to do so, and at that time I can share the details of any information I recieve from them. FTP and pokerstars are aware of the allegations and I have encouraged them to do a full and thorough investigation to confirm that what I say is completely accurate. I would like to have the opportunity to continue to be a contributing member of both stoxpoker and 2+2, I ask for your patience while these matters are sorted out over the next few days."

Mason Malmuth within minutes of the post temporarily suspended their relationship with both Stoxpoker and Cardrunners. It's pretty clear at this point that some of the accounts in question were colluding (though after many emails and an investigation the online poker sites have not seen it this way). I would expect that more and better information will be coming out soon but it should be clear to almost everyone that if someone stood to lose their business and bring down all of their friends that the simplest solution would be to get everything out in the open as it is really the only option at this point.

We developed this script as a means of addressing the colluding issues involved. While there is a lot of data it is the analysis of that data that was becoming difficult. We can add additional parameters as needed. On a personal note I would like to say that I hope Nick did not collude and I hope this analysis exonerates him. To tarnish the reputation of an innocent person is not something I want to be party to. That said though, this should help both sides to see things a bit clearer.
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Originally Posted by AntiClimacus

I before E people, sheeesh

Tuesday, March 16, 2010

<h1>Stoxtrader Nick Grudzien cheating scandal updates</h1>

Source?

I read this story from a blog on cardplayer the other day. I can't see why the mod's would have an issue with this thread.

People cheat in online poker? No way! I thought it was completely 100% bulletproof and that there was no cheating that ever happened! My mind has been blown!

 

Originally Posted by vthokiechad

is this why the high stakes people want there own forum?, so us micro-grinders dont have to hear about the constant cheating and scandals

[ ] understands what a high-stakes forum would be

 

Originally Posted by EyeKnows

[ ] understands what a high-stakes forum would be

[x] understands TOS

Just out of curiosity, is there some reason you think posting about a multi-accounting scandal would be deleted here?

 

Originally Posted by OGHowie

this thread is weird

agree ^. why is everyone so sensitive? It's poker news on a poker forum. The 2+2 thread has been going on for days, tl;dr, but of course this type of thing has to get out and about - like a dog who needs to poop.

Just makes you wonder how much cheating is REALLY going on?

 

Originally Posted by MadProfesor

cliff notes anyone?

lol this cracked me up. its a 2 page thread are you really that lazy? u woulda got the jist in about the same time it took you to type your post

3.) stoxpoker is sponsored on this site....for training