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weird hand in the stars 20k, how should I have played?

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  1. ata_sheli ata_sheli is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2007 (12/30/2007 7:01pm)

    alfred is a horrible lag, but not to the point where hes likely to be raising the flop into 4 people with air. im thinking i shoulda just shoved the turn (or some bet that commits me), but can i get some advice?

    pokerstars Game #14212497737: Tournament #71192107, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/12/30 - 19:55:15 (ET)
    Table '71192107 85' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: sponsorn (2720 in chips)
    Seat 2: patpoker23 (4440 in chips)
    Seat 3: babybic (11790 in chips)
    Seat 4: ata_sheli (9280 in chips)
    Seat 5: buyrum (3130 in chips)
    Seat 6: ddollar 77 (3285 in chips)
    Seat 7: alfredg (6680 in chips)
    Seat 8: paymeoffff (2010 in chips)
    Seat 9: tiger99lex (3070 in chips)
    paymeoffff: posts small blind 50
    tiger99lex: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ata_sheli [Ad 5d]
    sponsorn: folds
    patpoker23: folds
    babybic: calls 100
    ata_sheli: calls 100
    buyrum: folds
    ddollar 77: folds
    alfredg: calls 100
    paymeoffff: calls 50
    tiger99lex: checks
    *** FLOP *** [6d 8d 3c]
    paymeoffff: checks
    tiger99lex: checks
    babybic: checks
    ata_sheli: bets 300
    alfredg: raises 900 to 1200
    paymeoffff: folds
    tiger99lex: folds
    babybic: folds
    ata_sheli: calls 900
    *** TURN *** [6d 8d 3c] [4s]
    ata_sheli: checks
    alfredg: bets 5380 and is all-in
    ata_sheli: folds
    alfredg collected 2900 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2900 | Rake 0
    Board [6d 8d 3c 4s]
    Seat 1: sponsorn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: patpoker23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: babybic folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: ata_sheli folded on the Turn
    Seat 5: buyrum folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: ddollar 77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: alfredg (button) collected (2900)
    Seat 8: paymeoffff (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: tiger99lex (big blind) folded on the Flop
  2. aconsuma aconsuma is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2007 (12/30/2007 9:40pm) in reply to ata_sheli

    i'd say check call or check raise the flop...not terrible to bet the flop but this hand smells like he has a set or top two and wants to make a flush draw pay for another card. I don't like flat calling bc you only see one card. I think you have to give up on the flop when he reraises you bc you're obviously beat and its rare for someone to risk that much with so little invested preflop.
  3. Mattraq1 Mattraq1 is offline

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    Jan 1st, 2008 (1/1/2008 3:59am) in reply to ata_sheli

    so u lead a multiway pot, that ur barely invested in, is worth little to ur stack if u somehow take it down, have almost no fold equity, comitted urself to calling a large RR or CR with a draw

    I can think of more but im going to bed and had plenty to drink lol

    u seem like a smart guy, take wut i have said already and learn from it
  4. rydawgsw rydawgsw is offline

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    Jan 1st, 2008 (1/1/2008 3:01pm) in reply to ata_sheli

    So you had a flush draw, with an open ended straight draw.. Personally, I call.. Maybe I'm a donk though?
     
  5. ata_sheli ata_sheli is offline

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    Jan 1st, 2008 (1/1/2008 6:38pm) in reply to rydawgsw

    If my Ace is an out, which it definetly could be, I have 18 outs, so about 38%. Im getting 1.53-1 so i need about a 35% chance to win. So from this it looks like I should have called, but if im up against a 66,88,33,44,A8, or any 2 pair, than I no dont have odds to call. Against his range its really marginal, so I think on the turn it could go either way. My guess was that the shove is a scared top pair, but i could be wrong.

    On the flop the reason i bet is because it just looked like a bunch of weak checks, as on this board anyone that hit would have likely bet out to not give free cards to flush draws, overcards, and possible straight draws. And then even if i dont take the pot down on the flop (I read the weakness of the first 3 players to act correctly) i have a big draw and can win a huge pot if i hit and have gotten some money in on the flop. As it turns out if i had turned my flush i would have stacked the guy that shoved.

    However, I see what you mean, obviously betting into 4 people there is never a huge chance of taking the pot down right then, and i could have kept the pot small when i wasnt in position on everyone. I almost did check the flop, and usually do in that situation, but in this case i was trying to mix things up, was very confident that my first 3 opponents were weak, and that leading here would work well to disguise my flush if i hit the turn. Several of the players in this hand were really bad and would have stacked off to me with just top pair if they got a little invested on the flop.
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    Jan 2nd, 2008 (1/2/2008 3:41am) in reply to ata_sheli

    Eww hey man sorry for my drunk assinine reply. Im usually not such a douche lol.

    All i was trying to say was that the pot was tiny compared to all the stack sizes, and by reopening the pot to a checkraise u set up the disaster of getting into a massive pot with a draw. It also made the pot the awkward size that it was forcing him to shove the turn.

    And odds are, with so many ppl in the pots if u hit ur flush 5 ways u will get some action. Especially at those stakes.

    Even if the button bets after u, and everybody folds to you, u have enough chips to control the pot in a way u feel comfortable with when it comes back to you. Or if the button bets and u get multiple callers, u are again likely to get lots of action on ur flush. If the button bets and he gets checkraised u can now fold.

    Also remember i play this COMPLETELY differently in a raised or heads up pot

    Again i apologise for my rude post before. Was a long new years ;) lol
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    Jan 2nd, 2008 (1/2/2008 3:44am) in reply to rydawgsw

    " So you had a flush draw, with an open ended straight draw.. Personally, I call.. Maybe I'm a donk though?"

    at this point it would be a horrible call. The blinds are tiny and he is at best like 40% to have the winner at showdown.

    I dont make habbits of calling off my stack with no chance of being ahead.

    If he is playin the turn, he had better bet it, rather than check calling
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    Jan 2nd, 2008 (1/2/2008 5:30am) in reply to Mattraq1

    haha, thanks for the apology, its straight ill recover. Its funny, i actually just finished reading Seal's article on the front page about making pocket fives a more positive forum again since everyones a dick to each other on here now, then i search this thread and found your reply. Anyways, I agree with you for my flop play. I am a huge proponent of pot control especially when the blinds are still relatively low like this, and that was a main reason i was close to checking the flop. Was trying to just mix up my play in a situation where i thought a few factors pointed towards a bet, but I actually agree with your assessment.

    A call on the turn would have been bad, no need for that gamble
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    Jan 3rd, 2008 (1/3/2008 12:47pm) in reply to ata_sheli

    no need to shove or call the turn...i don't like the flop bet but i don't mind calling to take at least one card off. this guy is DEFINITELY strong here so if you can draw at the nuts with decent odds give it a shot and try and bust him. if he has a set I don't think he is folding to a diamond turn anyway unless it is like the 10d which is just a scary card all around
     
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    Jan 3rd, 2008 (1/3/2008 2:13pm) in reply to ata_sheli

    Actually, I don't mind how you played the hand at all. Yeah there are arguments to check call the flop but then to me that makes your hand transparent. Stay aggressive, you hit the diamond on the turn and this guy is going to hand you his stack.
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    Jan 6th, 2008 (1/6/2008 5:00am) in reply to Bulldogmafia

    thanks for the responses, theyre appreciated
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    Jan 6th, 2008 (1/6/2008 1:16pm) in reply to ata_sheli

    with so many players on the flop i would have checked/called...with your raise it opens up that lag donk to re raise you and in which case is exactly what happened...if you check i highly doubt hes open betting 1200 which would have allowed you to see a lot cheaper turn card...on the turn i would most likely check again...and depending on the size of his bet (like if it was worth it to check raise all in) i might do that..but if he makes a smallish type bet i may just check call again...it would all have to do with teh size of the pot going into the turn and his turn bet size if he did end up betting when you checked
     
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