pokerstars Game #70156644984: Tournament #545020020, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (6000/12000) - 2011/11/07 15:48:34 AEST [2011/11/06 23:48:34 ET]
Table '545020020 24' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: $tinger 88 (201334 in chips)
Seat 4: ana marquez (266053 in chips)
Seat 5: ibluffheaps (572435 in chips)
Seat 7: Rekrapmas (228745 in chips)
Seat 8: mement_mori (917053 in chips)
Seat 9: IDOLLS (324881 in chips)
$tinger 88: posts the ante 1200
ana marquez: posts the ante 1200
ibluffheaps: posts the ante 1200
Rekrapmas: posts the ante 1200
mement_mori: posts the ante 1200
IDOLLS: posts the ante 1200
ibluffheaps: posts small blind 6000
Rekrapmas: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ibluffheaps [Js Ks]
mement_mori: folds
IDOLLS: raises 12000 to 24000
$tinger 88: folds
ana marquez: folds
ibluffheaps: calls 18000
Rekrapmas: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd 4h Th]
ibluffheaps: checks
IDOLLS: checks
*** TURN *** [Jd 4h Th] [5s]
ibluffheaps: bets 36000
IDOLLS: calls 36000
*** RIVER *** [Jd 4h Th 5s] [6c]
ibluffheaps: bets 78000
IDOLLS: raises 185681 to 263681 and is all-in
ibluffheaps...

Hadn't really tangled with him previously, but he was playing laggy. Pretty sure this is when we were down to 2 tables.

Pretty weird spot. The fact he doesn't cbet is pretty weird. The more I oddly think about this hand, I could see an oddball check on the flop with AhJh in hopes you 'hang' yourself on the turn....So many hands here should/will cbet regardless, esp this late in a tourney. I don't know how he plays, but is he one to get tricky with TT+? Checking a set of overpair on this board would just be strange, since there'd be so many cards coming that could complete weird draws. The interesting part as well is that your line doesn't seem that strong as well, which you might have realized and then acted accordingly on that. It seems likes it's fluff or nearly nuts versus your hand, and I'd be confused as well....I mean does he turn 5s? You are 6-handed...blah...tough/weird spot....

fold pf, call now everyone and their granny just missed. Doubt he opens 5s with that stack in ep or checks back that flop with a big hand. wud have c/c river also prob

srsly doubt he is opening 45,56,78 utg+1 with less than 30 bbs even though it is 6 handed

87 likely fires flop and/or folds turn unless its exactly 87hh

56 is also likely firing flop, and seems odd for 45 to just call turn and go ai on river

seems really odd for 44/TT/JJ to not fire flop, like the only hand im worried about is 66

i call

Yeah i don't think i can call the river, but maybe he knows that by shoving the river you won't call with just a J as your flatting range definitely includes KJ/QJ type of hands, I think if he did have 78 he would fold turn unlesssss it was 78hh, But yeh tricky spot

pre call seems fine to me. id personally lead this flop and probably get it in if raised, its really draw heavy and dont like letting him peel a card against me in position on this type of flop. as played i fold the river here with that shove, i agree with what you said about this being a pretty bad board for him to be bluff jamming because it doesnt make any sense...

edit: if hes been that loose opening every hand, then a 3b pile pre could easily be best, i cant really say tho cuz thats all gameflow type of stuff

idolls is a great player and KJs is def in our percieved range (wich is still uncapped) when we lead twice, so he might make more mistakes vs. a river check than vs. a river bet.

i think he's just usually way more likely to make mistakes against us when we choose unconventional lines vs. him than if we play ABC poker, thats why i both like the idea of checking the river or even donkleading the flop.

that being said, its now a wierd spot as played. we know he's capable of anything but im worried he rarely takes this line as a blufff. he prolly had like 65hh, 65dd, 64ss or 64dd imo. who knows ? i don't hate calling tho.

He is pretty wild from what i've seen and I think may be capable of being light here, that said... His range is SUPER polarized here, and like I think he pretty much has 55, 66 or air. Also, he does play 'different' so him checking a set on the flop is possible but seems unlikely because of this draw heavy board with a couple fairly high cards. I can't find the fold button here by how the hand went and if you're wrong at least you got some real good info on him for the future no matter if he has it or not.

If you think he is opening pretty wide, 3-betting pre-flop will save you having to play OOP but the call is fine as well, a bit safer. I'm definitely not folding pre-flop.

I think 87 could just check the flop, with a gut shot, then call the turn with a double gutshot, then hit it on the river and raise.

As Illini 213 said its either { 87, 45, 55 or a slow played set on the flop, but I think that is unlikely 'cause he would probably raise the turn} or a bluff.

If he is making a value play, its a great one. By just calling the turn the villain allows you to bet out on the river, and due to stack sizes, he can raise all in, still giving you pretty decent odds to call (around 185:450 or 1: 2.5). This means you only need to be winning around 30% of the time to make the call profitable. If you think he is bluffing higher than that, call.

However I think because he set up his river re-raise to be small enough to be called or he hit his hand on the river, I think he probably has it. If he had wanted to bluff, I think he would have raised the turn, where his bet would have been larger, giving you worse pot-odds to call. In addition to the fact you don't have extensive history with IDOLLS, I would fold.