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Weird spot - ($4.40) 180 tourney

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  1. josh34 josh34 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 1:28pm)

    I don't think i'm ever calling here - shove or fold - curious to hear arguements for both...

    pokerstars Game #24266911051: Tournament #136384006, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/01/25 14:16:34 ET
    Table '136384006 7' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Sam Bawlf 2 (1860 in chips)
    Seat 2: 78robby78 (2020 in chips)
    Seat 3: MNdude34 (1345 in chips)
    Seat 4: bigtex3374 (910 in chips)
    Seat 5: mike3366 (1410 in chips)
    Seat 6: Husnbelzer (1150 in chips)
    Seat 7: hanse2004 (1950 in chips)
    Seat 8: mazapl (3315 in chips)
    Seat 9: Slowred (1130 in chips)
    mike3366: posts small blind 15
    Husnbelzer: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MNdude34 [Ts Th]
    hanse2004: folds
    mazapl has timed out
    mazapl: folds
    mazapl is sitting out
    mazapl has returned
    Slowred: calls 30
    Sam Bawlf 2: folds
    78robby78: folds
    MNdude34: raises 90 to 120
    bigtex3374: raises 180 to 300
    mike3366: folds
    Husnbelzer: folds
    Slowred: folds
    MNdude34: ????
  2. Werglum Werglum is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 1:35pm) in reply to josh34

    I would base my decision on how he has lost 1/3 of his stack in the first two levels.
  3. josh34 josh34 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 1:51pm) in reply to Werglum

    what about the size of his 3bet?
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  4. UCBananaboy UCBananaboy is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 2:02pm) in reply to josh34

    I think a fold here is fine. In the 4.40/180s there are so many bad post-flop players, that there is no sense in you getting 1/4 your stack in pf with TT, unless you are going with the hand with nearly all flops. Just my opinion though.
  5. wayniac wayniac is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 2:17pm) in reply to UCBananaboy

    This is probably a coin toss, so i would probably go with it. Flip and fire up another one.
  6. josh34 josh34 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 2:24pm) in reply to UCBananaboy

    agree - I folded pretty quickly and then was like wait a second, should I have considered a shove here? Interested to see what others thoughts are still..

    Edit: agree w/UCBananaboy
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  7. lilOUmikey lilOUmikey is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 2:27pm) in reply to josh34

    disagree i put it in here, when players in these get under 1k in chips they are much more likely to go in with a marginal hand shove
  8. frosty012 frosty012 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 2:30pm) in reply to josh34

    lol no1 can answer this until you tell us how he lost most of his stack, if he's a competent player you can fold here but without reads this is almost always a shove...
  9. josh34 josh34 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 2:36pm) in reply to frosty012

     
    Originally Posted by frosty012 View Post

    lol no1 can answer this until you tell us how he lost most of his stack, if he's a competent player you can fold here but without reads this is almost always a shove...

    sorry - I don't recall how he lost those chips - I should have specified I had no reads on him
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  10. mariebadee mariebadee is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 2:45pm) in reply to josh34

    dump it you got 120 in there and your hoping for a flip. better spots to be found.
  11. sobizzle21 sobizzle21 is offline Scammer

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 2:47pm) in reply to mariebadee

    unless i have an INSANELY GOOD READ on villian to know that he only has jj+ here 100% of the time, i get it all in here all day its a 4.40 ffs dont give people respect
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  12. josh34 josh34 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 3:12pm) in reply to sobizzle21

     
    Originally Posted by sobizzle21 View Post

    unless i have an INSANELY GOOD READ on villian to know that he only has jj+ here 100% of the time, i get it all in here all day its a 4.40 ffs dont give people respect

    even though we're still only at 15/30?
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  13. UCBananaboy UCBananaboy is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 6:04pm) in reply to mariebadee

     
    Originally Posted by mariebadee View Post

    dump it you got 120 in there and your hoping for a flip. better spots to be found.

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  14. murondubs murondubs is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 6:21pm) in reply to josh34

    fold this please
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 6:49pm) in reply to murondubs

    you guys are a bunch of nits.

    shove and win against his A9s.

    stop overestimating the range of the 4/180s
     
  16. TheJ1nx TheJ1nx is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 6:54pm) in reply to josh34

    reads are important in this spot

    against any half competent player this is a fold but having said that the average $4.40 player is not competent and this would be a good spot to gamble
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    Jan 25th, 2009 (1/25/2009 7:07pm) in reply to josh34

    get it in
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