pokerstars Game #21138146911: Tournament #113737388, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/10/12 14:55:57 ET

Table '113737388 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the button

Seat 1: n5122694 (3325 in chips)

Seat 2: gostworrior (3538 in chips) is sitting out

Seat 3: tep1 (12460 in chips)

Seat 4: steban2007 (2570 in chips)

Seat 5: bartvd (7300 in chips)

Seat 6: enviouslol (6800 in chips)

Seat 7: strongv03 (8000 in chips)

Seat 8: swimsushi (4050 in chips)

bartvd: posts small blind 100

enviouslol: posts big blind 200

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to enviouslol [Th Ts]

strongv03: folds

swimsushi: folds

n5122694: folds

gostworrior: folds

bobwx is connected

tep1: raises 400 to 600

steban2007: raises 1970 to 2570 and is all-in

My thoughts: tep1's range should be wide, but he covers me.

and I'm so bad i dont know what steban's range is..i dont know if its possible for him to just resteal with 910s and stuff. At the time i was thinking A10+ 66+ for him.

sorry was 9tabling. and i'm bad at picking up reads when im multitabling =/

Guess i'm not gonna get many responses since i had no reads.

I folded and initial raiser folded. No idea if i made right or wrong move.

I ship it in here. Initial raiser's range is huge and your well ahead of the re-shipper's range. Shove em in, high five the monitor, and be happy when he flips 88.

ship it in 100% of the time imo. short stack will be shoving really wide here because of the position of the big stacks initial raise. big stack should fold to a shove by you unless he has a legitimate monster. 10s are way ahead against what I think shorty could shove with here, and way ahead of big stacks opening range. easy shove

i shove all in. you have tep1's range crushed and steban can be moving in very light here considering position.. if the action was like utg and utg + 1 it would be a fold, but here since its the CO and the button, TT is way ahead of their ranges, even steban.. ship imo.. UL if tep actually had a monster

I say fold I believe your at usually at best racing in this spot. Save your chips specially with where the blinds are and punish them later with a better spot.

 

Originally Posted by shanetrain22

"My thoughts: tep1's range should be wide, but he covers me.
and I'm so bad i dont know what steban's range is..i dont know if its possible for him to just resteal with 910s and stuff. At the time i was thinking A10+ 66+ for him."

Dude, you answered your own question. Do you think anyone here has a better idea of steban's reship range than you (assuming you're at least decent obv)?

All I can tell you is that it's usually fine to 3-bet ship here assuming steban isn't a massive nit. And to ANYONE saying snap-fold... are you serious????

Best answer yet in this thread.

 

Originally Posted by 8888kush

 

Originally Posted by HoldemJunkie

I say fold I believe your at usually at best racing in this spot. Save your chips specially with where the blinds are and punish them later with a better spot.

I like this

To anyone who agrees with this - how does the guy with 12bbs play 77-99 here?

"At best racing" is just so far off in this spot, it is a $4/180, we crush the big stacks standard open range, and we are significantly ahead the shorty's re-shoving range.

 

Originally Posted by funnygut

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+1

its kinda close i feel but heres the argument for shoving. Ur gonna get the initial raiser to fold out such a large % of his opening range, and u definately cover the shover's range as well. When u do get called by the initial raiser GG pretty much but this will be so rare all other times u should be able to make $$ off it

in this spot you should be shipping 77+ AJs+, TT is a no brainer...

 

Originally Posted by acecatcher26

lol @ the wize ass talking about plb scores when people with high plbs play mtts not micro sngs. Personally I wouldnt even think twice about calling here fold/ next hand plz.

fundamentals and ranges arent changing much in this situation no matter what the buy in. a smart player is a smart player no matter how much they play for. and the people who say fold arent even profitable at the micro stakes.

 

Originally Posted by acecatcher26

lol @ the wize ass talking about plb scores when people with high plbs play mtts not micro sngs. Personally I wouldnt even think twice about calling here fold/ next hand plz.

pretty sure this is an $4 180 man, not exactly a SNG. in a SNG there may be more to discuss re. ICM, but prob still a call/shove.

ship ship ship...ive seen shortstacks like that shove random suited connectors, ace rags, your waaaaaay ahead of his range unless u know hes a nit and grow some balls and dont worry about the other big stack get all the chips in

 

Originally Posted by doubledave22

its kinda close i feel but heres the argument for shoving. Ur gonna get the initial raiser to fold out such a large % of his opening range, and u definately cover the shover's range as well. When u do get called by the initial raiser GG pretty much but this will be so rare all other times u should be able to make $$ off it

thank you for not making me type this, i rly dont even think its that close, OR opening raise should be pretty wide, and your ahead of shorties shoving range, get it in