I have no history with villain as he was moved to this table < 10 hands before the start of this one. At the beginning of this hand he's chipleader and I'm second in chips.

pokerstars Game #42637859434: Tournament #306010982, $24759291.25+$18190431.71+$5.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2010/04/13 20:36:02 PT [2010/04/13 23:36:02 ET]

Table '306010982 18' 6-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: surrealz (127959 in chips)

Seat 2: Negriin (19944 in chips)

Seat 3: slystyle12 (28507 in chips)

Seat 5: rubish21 (159040 in chips)

Seat 6: keystone35 (21968 in chips)

surrealz: posts the ante 125

Negriin: posts the ante 125

slystyle12: posts the ante 125

rubish21: posts the ante 125

keystone35: posts the ante 125

slystyle12: posts small blind 600

rubish21: posts big blind 1200

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to surrealz [Qs As]

keystone35: folds

surrealz: raises 1462 to 2662

Negriin: folds

slystyle12: folds

rubish21: raises 6938 to 9600

surrealz: calls 6938

*** FLOP *** [3h Ac 4c]

rubish21: bets 12000

surrealz: calls 12000

*** TURN *** [3h Ac 4c] [Tc]

rubish21: checks

surrealz: checks

*** RIVER *** [3h Ac 4c Tc] [9h]

rubish21: checks

surrealz: bets 16234

rubish21: raises 92966 to 109200

surrealz:

Before I get a ton of "bet turns".. if you really feel like that's the best play, cool but please explain yourself. My reasoning for checking the turn is I don't want him to spaz out with something like AxJc or a lone Kc, we're the deepest stacks in the tourney and the pot is already inflated so I'm fine with checking back for pot control. Maybe that's a case for actually checking the river back? I dunno I was certain I was value betting here. Even though I dont have history his range looks like KJ/QJ/KQ of clubs, spazzing 99/AA and air. I realize the standard play is fold I'd just like some analysis in this spot. FWIW he snapped the raise in on the river and his OPR showed like 70 tourneys lifetime.

Well what I meant is that if I bet turn he has plenty of hand combos that can spazz and put me in a really tough spot plus it inflates the pot more so I feel really committed if he does something like c/c and jams the river and I'll still really have no idea where I'm at as i think most of his range c/c or crai this turn which doesn't clarify much. I meant to stress the pot control reason for checking back, and I think it makes the river easier to play as I can call any non club that he leads, check back or turn my hand into a bluff if a club comes and he checks, or i thought I could value bet a card like this. P.S. I'm currently pretty sleep deprived so I apologize if my thoughts aren't coming across clearly.

nasty, but i'd probably look for a better spot. few sickos have this in there game with air here.

His line makes close to no sense for value

so click call imo

your river value bet appears pretty small compared to size of pot so he might've just spazzed and decided he could get you off a hand like you have (AJ/AQ etc) which is why I just want to click call

On the other hand the fact that he snap c/r and that most randoms don't have much river c/r air bluffs on scary boards in their arsenal seems to push it the other way

I'd be interested to see what other people have to say about it

I think you played the hand well. Sick spot on the river that is probably a fold. I think he went crazy with 99 (9 of clubs). Results?

 

Originally Posted by Goldenad

thats a big assss 3bet, i might just fold pre

this is a thought that occurred to me as well...now I just sigh and fold to the wanker. He def has something...3bet pots at micro/midstakes levels just sucks against randoms.

we dont beat a single hand in his value range by the river and we still have heaps with what is probably a very soft table, i think this is a pretty clear fold

I like the check on the turn FWIW, if you get c/r there when the 3rd club falls it makes for a gross spot. However, I also like a check on the river...you have good showdown value and as you had stated earlier, you are the two big stacks and the pot is already inflated so no need to value bet with only TP and risk getting into a situation just like this. As for his raise, I think he only makes this raise with 2 hands that beat you, obv. flush like KQcc or something or 99. However i don't think he would have 3 bet you pre with a holding such as that (KQcc), and since the Ac is on the board, i feel that his likelihood of having a flush is pretty slim. therefore, i feel like you could almost pin this to 99 or a spaz out with like KK or something...I just really hope he didnt flip over A9? results?

As far as my river bet sizing goes, small bets are just a part of my mtt game in general, weather they're value, cbets or pure bluffs. Here I was trying to get value from the JJ-KK part of his range and I really never saw myself getting check raised here so I wasn't value towning myself too hard when he calls and I'm beat.

Results oriented I felt like I should have just checked behind but I'm not sure that should be standard when he checks twice here. I really don't feel like he repped a flush, but could definitely have spazzy trips so I folded. ICM implications were too much and I had no history, I'm still 3rd in chips if I fold etc. I haven't been in a spot like this for a while as peoples understanding of lines has at least improved to realize for the most part stuff like this doesn't make sense.

def fold....becuase i was shippin this tourny either way :-) slight brag

 

Originally Posted by Goldenad

thats a big assss 3bet, i might just fold pre

river looks bluffy