Full Tilt Poker Game #20476529299: $22,500 Guarantee (157169359), Table 31 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:37:52 ET - 2010/04/30
Seat 1: xx BabyGrand xx (18,192)
Seat 2: sagedecarte (14,447)
Seat 3: MastaP89 (20,313)
Seat 4: Klamoker (14,326)
Seat 5: Dynamoen (6,644)
Seat 6: bigganutz (18,107)
xx BabyGrand xx antes 50
sagedecarte antes 50
MastaP89 antes 50
Klamoker antes 50
Dynamoen antes 50
bigganutz antes 50
bigganutz posts the small blind of 200
xx BabyGrand xx posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MastaP89 [Kd 8d]
sagedecarte folds
MastaP89 raises to 900
Klamoker folds
Dynamoen folds
bigganutz folds
xx BabyGrand xx calls 500
*** FLOP *** [Kc 6h 8h]
xx BabyGrand xx checks
MastaP89 bets 1,155
xx BabyGrand xx calls 1,155
*** TURN *** [Kc 6h 8h] [5s]
xx BabyGrand xx checks
MastaP89 bets 2,444
xx BabyGrand xx calls 2,444
*** RIVER *** [Kc 6h 8h 5s] [Tc]
xx BabyGrand xx checks
MastaP89 bets 4,322
xx BabyGrand xx has 15 seconds left to act
xx BabyGrand xx has requested TIME
xx BabyGrand xx raises to 13,643, and is all in
MastaP89 has 15 seconds left to act
MastaP89 has requested TIME

got moved to the table like 15hands ago iirc, i was active as usual but nothing to crazy dont think, cant remember hands ive shown down. dont think i played w the guy before and he seems to be a random.

what do you range his river c/j here and do you think K8 does well enough vs it to call?

it's possible he has busted hearts i guess...but i'd think he has either KT or TT a whole lot more

annoying, but I can't imagine a call being good :/

 

Originally Posted by coolhandkev

If this guy is a random then I definitely think his range is wide enough to be calling here, I mean there is a good chunk in the pot. He could have some two pair combinations (T8, T6, K6) that he may play this way. He could potentially have spazzed a missed heart draw. I can't imagine he has any Kx hands played this way, those probably just check/call river.

I can't imagine him check/calling 97 on the turn and then checking it back again on river. The only hands I can potentially see him having here that beat you are KT or TT.

he's not a random

This is why I think I check back 100% here on the river, maybe if we were both deeper i'd fire a 3rd barrel but not when we both already put around 40% of our stack in.

Results?

 

Originally Posted by Ugottook420

I think Gags is saying that because he is not a random, not to say that Masta is wrong. Basically against a random player this range could be huge, while against a regular the range is alot smaller. Therefore its not about whether he is a random to the op, its about how he would play his range based on wether he is a regular player or a weekend fun kinda player.

I realize this but the topic of the thread was to discuss that hand assuming the villain was a random. Obviously knowing that villain is competant changes the scenario but when he was playing this hand he was a random so he should play the hand accordingly.

 

Originally Posted by shanetrain22

annoying, but I can't imagine a call being good :/

^^this

prolly check back most of the time, as played fold tho

 

Originally Posted by funnygut

lol @ check back river

value bets are overrated brah

I prefer to make sure I never have to make difficult decisions

 

Originally Posted by FenwayKing

value bets are overrated brah

I prefer to make sure I never have to make difficult decisions

It isn't about having to make a difficult decision. Its about understanding that against a competent player you are at serious risk of value cutting yourself here.

Just curious, what hands that we beat are we expecting to call the 3rd barrel?

Also, fwiw knowing its a reg makes this a pretty easy fold.

 

Originally Posted by TiltinShoes

It isn't about having to make a difficult decision. Its about understanding that against a competent player you are at serious risk of value cutting yourself here.

Just curious, what hands that we beat are we expecting to call the 3rd barrel?

competent player =/= never makes light, or just altogether bad, calls

 

Originally Posted by funnygut

competent player =/= never makes light, or just altogether bad, calls

Of course competent players make light, or altogether bad calls. My point is there are a few outcomes of this value bet: 3 are positive, 3 are bad, and one is neutral.

Positive: Calls with worse, folds better.

Neutral: Folds worse

Bad: Calls better, makes you fold a hand with value, gets you to call off with worse.

If I were to assign the percentages in this hand against a competent player of the positive Vs the bad, I just don't think he calls with worse or folds with better nearly as much as he calls with better or makes you fold your valuable hand. I would be shooting in the dark if I assigned percentages but I would put it at <30% that capable villain does either of the positive. I don't mind facing a tough decision, and against certain villains I will bet here praying for a shove, but not against a reg.

Just my .02.