I've been active lately and donked off some chips early... not sure how much that factors into the way this hand is played. My hand isn't repped here, but what am I beating, what hands are raising me here? pokerstars Game #24235679108: Tournament #135708757, $760+$40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/01/24 16:08:33 ET Table '135708757 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: tnetter (5465 in chips) Seat 2: DonRane (4530 in chips) Seat 3: baremoney (6860 in chips) Seat 4: Zenni11 (10125 in chips) Seat 5: molswi47 (5475 in chips) Seat 6: PiKappRaider (4780 in chips) Seat 7: Pourlemerite (5720 in chips) Seat 8: HotKarlMC (10620 in chips) Seat 9: P121YAN (3030 in chips) molswi47: posts small blind 50 PiKappRaider: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to PiKappRaider [4c 7d] Pourlemerite: calls 100 HotKarlMC: folds P121YAN: folds tnetter: folds DonRane: folds baremoney: folds Zenni11: folds molswi47: calls 50 PiKappRaider: checks *** FLOP *** [7c 7h 9d] molswi47: checks PiKappRaider: checks Pourlemerite: checks *** TURN *** [7c 7h 9d] [3d] molswi47: checks PiKappRaider: bets 300 Pourlemerite: calls 300 molswi47: raises 930 to 1230 PiKappRaider:

something like 5d,6d ur best hope i guess

idk, i can equally find arguments for fold/call/raise

lol @ me

seems like a really large raise, i think i shove and hope he doesnt show up with an awesome kicker like a 9 oor 3

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD><SPAN>Date:</SPAN></TD><TD>2009/01/24 16:08:33 ET</TD></TR><TR><TD><SPAN>Type:</SPAN></TD><TD>Tournament (135708757)</TD></TR><TR><TD><SPAN>Game:</SPAN></TD><TD>Hold'em NL</TD></TR><TR><TD><SPAN>Table:</SPAN></TD><TD>'135708757 5' 9-max</TD></TR><TR><TD><SPAN>Blinds: </SPAN></TD><TD>$50/100</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<H4>Table info:</H4> Seat 1: tnetter ($5,465)
Seat 2: DonRane ($4,530)
Seat 3: baremoney ($6,860)
<TABLE class=small width=250><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>Dealer</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Seat 4: Zenni11 ($10,125)
<TABLE class=small width=250><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>Posts small blind $50</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Seat 5: molswi47 ($5,475)
<TABLE class=small width=250><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>Posts big blind $100</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Seat 6: <A href="javascript:profile_nick('PiKappRaider ')">PiKappRaider </A>($4,780)
Seat 7: Pourlemerite ($5,720)
Seat 8: HotKarlMC ($10,620)
Seat 9: P121YAN ($3,030)

Dealt to PiKappRaider


<SPAN id=ctl00_cphPrimary_lOddsPreflop> Check odds
</SPAN> <H4>Preflop: <SPAN>(Pot: $150)</SPAN></H4> CALL Pourlemerite, $100
FOLD HotKarlMC
FOLD P121YAN
FOLD tnetter
FOLD DonRane
FOLD baremoney
FOLD Zenni11
CALL molswi47, $50
CHECK PiKappRaider

<SPAN id=ctl00_cphPrimary_lOddsFlop> Check odds
</SPAN> <H4>Flop: <SPAN>(Pot: $300)</SPAN></H4>
CHECK molswi47
CHECK PiKappRaider
CHECK Pourlemerite

<SPAN id=ctl00_cphPrimary_lOddsTurn> Check odds
</SPAN> <H4>Turn: <SPAN>(Pot: $300)</SPAN></H4>
CHECK molswi47
BET PiKappRaider, $300
CALL Pourlemerite, $300
RAISE molswi47, to $1,230

U'll chop against 78 or 76...call. Asssuming a rag doesn't come on river

EDIT: doubt he's bluffing here imo.

I'd call the turn 100%, and probably fold to a river bet.

It looks a lot like some sort of seven to me or even 33. I don't see how you can call here, I wouldn't see this guy raising as a bluff that often.

U can bet flop here too but check is fine. The turn theres 300 in the pot and u bet 300? With them checking this flop they arent gonna suddenly pay u off unless they have u beat/caught up. Betting 150-200 allows for ppl to make mistakes whereas betting 300 sorta forces ppl to have u beat (assuming they have a clue). At least when ur raised w/ ur 150-200 chip bet it will be wider than them raising a pot sized turn bet.

Sick spot as played tho im not sure what id do. Im leanin more towards flatting, shoving is dumb since worse is like never ever calling u here. Folding is 2nd best, i mean can u really check this flop then lead fold on the turn w/ ur hand? That just seems super weak to me. Just bet smaller on the turn, call the r/r and check call river. It opens up his range the most and saves u chips if ur wrong.

 

Originally Posted by Leet8s

It looks a lot like some sort of seven to me or even 33. I don't see how you can call here, I wouldn't see this guy raising as a bluff that often.

Really? I can't really think of a better spot to bluff.....

OK so I flatted here... I also felt like my loose table image meant more than I probably mentioned. River came 3 to pair the board and he shoves.... NOW WHAT????

Im nowhere near your level and that is why im asking if it wasnt clear?

thing is, i feel like i flipped my hand face over announcing the 7, i guess maybe a draw but thatd be crazy. does the shove scream strength or does it scream bluff???

im thinking that its possible he turned bot set and rivered quads, knowing i cant fold if i have the boat, so he shoves... he could even have 99 or 97 and slowplayed it twice, but i dont know why he wouldnt bet turn if there was no action on the flop, which makes me lean towards 33 more.

however, i still assume that the 3 solidifies my hand. if he had the 7 with a bigger kicker now we split (even tho why call off to split?). i did just call the turn tho and maybe he thinks he can run me over and was shoving most river cards.

im still left with a decent amount of chips to maneuver if i fold, but if i get bluffed out here thats just... well damn u know

i just cant put his line together here

^^^ i dont think you can fold to a river three after calling the turn either. that river was one of the best cards for your hand. my line for the hand.... i check the flop and i bet like 200 on the turn instead. im calling the raise on the turn and defiently calling the river