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Weird Spot in FT 35k with JJ help PLZ!

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  1. VAFLZ VAFLZ is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2009 (8/7/2009 12:36am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #13868464435: $35,000 Guarantee (102114926), Table 30 - 1500/3000 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:18:44 ET - 2009/08/07
    Seat 1: Spencer1626 (87,617)
    Seat 2: rooddog1 (67,876)
    Seat 3: Rem_The_Man (65,606)
    Seat 4: Firaldo87 (73,954)
    Seat 5: VAFLZ (67,618)
    Seat 6: Eagle Uk (38,733)
    Seat 7: MeaLOwNz (38,622)
    Seat 8: tritatoreciop (134,384)
    Seat 9: meuli (62,335)
    Spencer1626 antes 400
    rooddog1 antes 400
    Rem_The_Man antes 400
    Firaldo87 antes 400
    VAFLZ antes 400
    Eagle Uk antes 400
    MeaLOwNz antes 400
    tritatoreciop antes 400
    meuli antes 400
    MeaLOwNz posts the small blind of 1,500
    tritatoreciop posts the big blind of 3,000
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to VAFLZ [Jh Jd]
    meuli folds
    Spencer1626 raises to 9,000
    rooddog1 folds
    Rem_The_Man folds
    Firaldo87 folds
    VAFLZ has 15 seconds left to act
    VAFLZ calls 9,000
    Eagle Uk folds
    MeaLOwNz folds
    tritatoreciop folds
    *** FLOP *** [9s 9c 4h]
    Spencer1626 bets 6,000
    VAFLZ has 15 seconds left to act...

    What would you do? I know the flat call is a little nitty but the guy hadnt played many hands at all... i dont have a very big stack, or otherwise I would have 3bet folded to a shove.
  2. meaneye meaneye is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2009 (8/7/2009 1:23am) in reply to VAFLZ

    Your not deep enough to set mine with your Jacks ... and you didn't shove pre... So if this isn't the board your looking for to get it all in here i don't know what is?
     
  3. byoonz byoonz is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2009 (8/7/2009 1:27am) in reply to VAFLZ

    dont fold

    and noted that you will 3bet/fold JJ to me.
     
  4. VAFLZ VAFLZ is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2009 (8/7/2009 2:39am) in reply to byoonz

    in the hand, i raised, he time banked and shoved so i called of course. my real question is, what is the BEST play pre-flop? folding is bad i suppose, but like I said, he had played 1 hand in the past hour. do I 3 bet and get it in?
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  5. cotchery89 cotchery89 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2009 (8/7/2009 3:06am) in reply to VAFLZ

    I shove this 100% of the time..literally...dc if the guy hadnt played a hand ever...u cnt call with 20bbs and shut down on an overcard or something. Its a Donkament just ship and prey
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  6. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2009 (8/7/2009 4:31am) in reply to VAFLZ

    sup man....you have 22ish bbs and ur gonna need chips and you have JJ. 3 hands have you crushed. AK,AQ,1010 easily fall in his opening range as well. 3 bet/call any shove here no? If you run into a cooler so be it.........you know what they say jus fire up another one. glgl.

    Peace
     
  7. dgillis dgillis is offline Moderator

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    Aug 7th, 2009 (8/7/2009 9:45am) in reply to VAFLZ

    is he varying his bet sizes at all, he 3x'ed it, std for him? how often does he continuation bet, do you think he is good enough to fold to a three bet? whats his EP open range, you said tight, how many hands have you played? how many left\how are the payouts structured? your table image?
     
  8. deckeriv deckeriv is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2009 (8/7/2009 10:05am) in reply to VAFLZ

    Just shove pre. You have an M less than 10 and by shoving, you do have some fold equity. Flatting with your stack is pretty weak. You are ahead of his 'tight' range.
  9. dgillis dgillis is offline Moderator

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 12:12am) in reply to dgillis

     
    Originally Posted by dgillis View Post

    is he varying his bet sizes at all, he 3x'ed it, std for him? how often does he continuation bet, do you think he is good enough to fold to a three bet? whats his EP open range, you said tight, how many hands have you played? how many left\how are the payouts structured? your table image?

    without more details my first instinct here is to three bet and call his shove. shoving likely only gets called by one maybe two hands your 50/50 with (ak\aq). with a three bet\call your looking at a little bit wider range and a bit more EV. honestly i think its probably threebet>fold>call. Im thinking your just not deep enough to be flatting. plus the reverse implied odds for that flatt have got to be pretty bad.
     
  10. firaldo firaldo is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2009 (8/8/2009 12:16am) in reply to VAFLZ

    the only single way a flat can possibly be good pre is if the guys opening range is superwide and he cbets 100% of flops. In which case we just raise his cbet/get it in.

    In most cases its either 3bet get it in (vs avg $26 tourney player) or shove (vs good players)
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