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weird spot with JJ..wwyd?

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  1. SSG SSG is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2011 (1/13/2011 11:58pm)

    It's the 5d 2r1a on stars.
    this has been the table i started the tourney with. and haven't actually seen villain play much hands,so he is a pretty tight player.at least from the hands i've seen.
    I have been pretty active at the table and calling a lot of 3bets but not making much 3bets my self coz it's still early

    So usual way people play with JJ is 3bet and shove to a 4bet. But i always thought there is a different approach. as when u shove, they will call if they have a monster and fold if they have rags..
    so i decided to call. and his shove on the flop is weird, would people shove with QQ+ IN THAT spot?

    I post the results later.

    pokerstars Game #55879841614: Tournament #402010674, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2011/01/14 12:35:14 NZT [2011/01/13 18:35:14 ET]
    Table '402010674 140' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: rdfp22 (9540 in chips)
    Seat 2: stone_s_g (11612 in chips)
    Seat 3: drambuie67 (19318 in chips)
    Seat 4: chewe22 (6395 in chips)
    Seat 5: gollyheck (9442 in chips)
    Seat 6: osprey-fight (8133 in chips)
    Seat 7: pkr_gnri (13467 in chips)
    Seat 8: rubs87 (9486 in chips)
    Seat 9: jeweetog (14895 in chips)
    rdfp22: posts the ante 25
    stone_s_g: posts the ante 25
    drambuie67: posts the ante 25
    chewe22: posts the ante 25
    gollyheck: posts the ante 25
    osprey-fight: posts the ante 25
    pkr_gnri: posts the ante 25
    rubs87: posts the ante 25
    jeweetog: posts the ante 25
    pkr_gnri: posts small blind 100
    rubs87: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to stone_s_g [Jc Jh]
    jeweetog said, "nice river"
    jeweetog: raises 435 to 635
    rdfp22: folds
    jeweetog said, "wonder if it saved me or cost me"
    stone_s_g: raises 844 to 1479
    drambuie67: folds
    chewe22: folds
    gollyheck: raises 1242 to 2721
    osprey-fight: folds
    pkr_gnri: folds
    rubs87: folds
    jeweetog said, "i had a bad feeling about this hand"
    jeweetog: folds
    stone_s_g: calls 1242
    *** FLOP *** [7s 4h 2c]
    stone_s_g: checks
    gollyheck: bets 6696 and is all-in
    stone_s_g: ????
     
  2. Slay Slay is offline

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    Jan 14th, 2011 (1/14/2011 12:06am) in reply to SSG

    If he's been nitty like u say, his range for cold 4betting is most likely QQ+ and AK...

    As for the flop... Why did you check? What was your plan in the hand? to c/f? c/r? c/c? It's a pretty dry board and I think it's more likely that he's open jammed AK to get you out
    Edited By: Slay Jan 14th, 2011 at 12:07 AM
  3. SSG SSG is offline

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    Jan 14th, 2011 (1/14/2011 12:26am) in reply to Slay

    i check because i thought if he had QQ,KK or AA, wouldn't he bet not shove to extract more value?
    if AQ/AK he would shove..
    but as played, i think i have to call anyway....
     
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  4. Slay Slay is offline

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    Jan 14th, 2011 (1/14/2011 12:40am) in reply to SSG

    It's not impossible for him to shove QQ+ on this board. You showed strength pre so he probably credits you with an overpair to the board (88-JJ) and knows you won't fold on such a dry flop. But I do tend to think it's more likely AK...

    I sigh call and fistpump when he shows AK or TT
  5. SSG SSG is offline

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    Jan 14th, 2011 (1/14/2011 12:53am) in reply to Slay

    stone_s_g: calls 6696
    *** TURN *** [7s 4h 2c] [Kd]
    jeweetog said, "thanks for the reraise golly :)"
    *** RIVER *** [7s 4h 2c Kd] [Th]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    stone_s_g: shows [Jc Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
    gollyheck: shows [3c 5c] (high card King)
    stone_s_g collected 19994 from pot
    gollyheck finished the tournament in 1419th place

    ..i was pretty surprised...
     
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  6. Slay Slay is offline

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    Jan 14th, 2011 (1/14/2011 1:00am) in reply to SSG

    As am I, sick flop! NH
  7. gollyheck gollyheck is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2011 (2/12/2011 1:20am) in reply to Slay

    pre is terrible btw
     
  8. swanny swanny is offline

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    Mar 23rd, 2011 (3/23/2011 4:12am) in reply to gollyheck

     
    Originally Posted by gollyheck View Post

    pre is terrible btw

    I thought I was the only one that played 35 off.

    You run so bad Golly! Where's the Ace or 6?
  9. Dan Olson Dan Olson is offline

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    Mar 23rd, 2011 (3/23/2011 4:57am) in reply to swanny

    there's almost 6k in the pot and he has a little over 6.5k behind. any bet other than a shove would just scream huge strength, so considering what he had that's probably what he should have done. Im shoving that flop with QQ+ all day simply because any other bet is too transparent
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