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weird spot for KK preflop 0.50/1 cash game, RESULTS: I folded pre, 4bettor did have AA

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  1. geniewiz geniewiz is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:38pm)

    pokerstars Game #xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/01/17 18:12:xx ET
    Table 'Peiroos V' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: JuantotheC ($100 in chips)
    Seat 3: IschRoquEEE ($102.55 in chips)
    Seat 4: rigmastft ($112.70 in chips)
    Seat 5: skiller32 ($99 in chips)
    Seat 6: geniewiz ($113.65 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jeppetusse ($192.50 in chips)
    Seat 8: pseftis ($119.25 in chips)
    Seat 9: cb4mvp ($102.05 in chips)
    skiller32: posts small blind $0.50
    geniewiz: posts big blind $1
    feistpeach: sits out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to geniewiz [Ks Kh]
    Jeppetusse: folds
    pseftis: folds
    cb4mvp: folds
    JuantotheC: raises $2 to $3
    IschRoquEEE: calls $3
    rigmastft: raises $12 to $15
    skiller32: folds
    geniewiz: calls $14
    JuantotheC: folds
    IschRoquEEE: raises $21 to $36
    rigmastft: calls $21
    geniewiz ???????

    I ended up folding pre, becuz(ye i kno it sounds weird) but IschRoquEEE range is AA only imo. The hand played out between Isch and rigmastft like this: It was a King high flop (PUKE), Both players checked on the flop, blank on the turn where Isch bets 25$ and gets called, blank onthe river and both players check. Isch had AA and rigmasft had QQ.
  2. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:56pm) in reply to geniewiz

    4bet instead of flatting and get it in.

    sometimes u get coolered by AA but its near impossible to fold KK pre
     
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:58pm) in reply to Deoxyribo

    ship it
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 6:00pm) in reply to geniewiz

    I am really bad at this, and my brain don't process information fast enough. Where is the weird spot in this hand? 4-bet-call shove, gg against AA.....when they actually have it
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 6:00pm) in reply to gamblingfun

    ship u r in good shape vs both ranges
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 6:05pm) in reply to MuiMuiBueno

    u should put it in even though they have AA every time vs me only.
    in your hand it was AQ and JJ and you flat- it come J high and you stack off to the set of jacks.
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 6:48pm) in reply to geniewiz

    Easy ship at these limits.
  8. geniewiz geniewiz is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 9:27pm) in reply to geniewiz

    shipping seems pretty obvious but I want everyone to understand that these are stars cash games, and that they play alot ooooooober-tighter then anything I have ever seen. This type of action is unheard of unless its KK vs AA, which is why I took a very long time between deciding to fold or 5-bet shove.

    I will post results soon
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  9. geniewiz geniewiz is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 9:29pm) in reply to Stupor_Mundi

     
    Originally Posted by Stupor_Mundi View Post

    Easy ship at these limits.

    Play at these limits is pretty tight and solid. Thats my opinion after 100K hands at NL50 and NL100.
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  10. geniewiz geniewiz is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 9:37pm) in reply to andressoprano

     
    Originally Posted by andressoprano View Post

    I am really bad at this, and my brain don't process information fast enough. Where is the weird spot in this hand? 4-bet-call shove, gg against AA.....when they actually have it

    the hand has already been 4-bet. u mean 5-bet/call shove. I think that makes a big difference.
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 10:12pm) in reply to Stupor_Mundi

     
    Originally Posted by Stupor_Mundi View Post

    Easy ship at these limits.

    bah dont think the limits being low has as much imporance as u make out, so if its 25/50 this is an auto fold?? completely disagree but thats just from what i have seen. just don't see how you can lay this down personally barring a complete knowledge that 1 of the villains is the nittiest of nits
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 10:14pm) in reply to geniewiz

     
    Originally Posted by geniewiz View Post

     
    Originally Posted by andressoprano View Post

    I am really bad at this, and my brain don't process information fast enough. Where is the weird spot in this hand? 4-bet-call shove, gg against AA.....when they actually have it

    the hand has already been 4-bet. u mean 5-bet/call shove. I think that makes a big difference.

    problem is that even if villain who flatted/4bet has a range of QQ+, AK u still have to get it in
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 10:29pm) in reply to geniewiz

    Fold. i play a lot of 50/1 nl on stars and the players r super nits. u r beat 98% of the time here. FOLD!! and yes i make pretty decent money at these limits.

    EDIT: what were his stats on pokertracker or holdem manager?
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 10:35pm) in reply to HoldThzNutz

    KK is just too strong to laydown here

    id ship it
    if you see AA its a cooler
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 11:00pm) in reply to patvoytko

     
    Originally Posted by patvoytko View Post

    KK is just too strong to laydown here

    id ship it
    if you see AA its a cooler

    atta boy, this guy knows wat im talkin bout
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 6:29pm) in reply to geniewiz

    is one of the strongest arguments for not folding pre is that I could still hit a King the rare times that I am beat?
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 6:40pm) in reply to geniewiz

     
    Originally Posted by geniewiz View Post

    is one of the strongest arguments for not folding pre is that I could still hit a King the rare times that I am beat?

    no
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 6:41pm) in reply to geniewiz

    The strongest argument is that you're leaving value on the table if this fold pre is even close to standard for you. Please cut to the chase where Isch shows AA so we may immediately start constructing the altar at which we will worship your avatar.

    As long as it's not an eyeball.
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 6:54pm) in reply to geniewiz

    You should have 4-bet/called a shove. No need for further discussion.
     
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 6:58pm) in reply to wny2nyc47

     
    Originally Posted by wny2nyc47 View Post

    The strongest argument is that you're leaving value on the table if this fold pre is even close to standard for you. Please cut to the chase where Isch shows AA so we may immediately start constructing the altar at which we will worship your avatar.

    As long as it's not an eyeball.

    he did show AA, i already wrote that in the thread
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 6:59pm) in reply to wny2nyc47

     
    Originally Posted by wny2nyc47 View Post

    The strongest argument is that you're leaving value on the table if this fold pre is even close to standard for you. Please cut to the chase where Isch shows AA so we may immediately start constructing the altar at which we will worship your avatar.

    As long as it's not an eyeball.

    this fold is not standard at all to me, but look at his line!!!!iufohugetyg!!!!!@^(%^#(fdhfg!!!!!!!!donif! !!!!!!!!!
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 8:16pm) in reply to geniewiz

    lol@ folding this pre..get it in ppppppplz
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    Jan 19th, 2009 (1/19/2009 8:46pm) in reply to rungoodmuch

    This is the closest ive come to folding kk pre. I didnt and nobody had aa, i won a nice pot.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #9873401282: Table Lazarette (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:25:10 ET - 2009/01/05
    Seat 1: mphgph ($50)
    Seat 2: TheSlinger ($82.30)
    Seat 3: hardltilted ($23.75)
    Seat 4: upaymybeer ($26.35), is sitting out
    Seat 5: Tuuuuuuut ($60.85)
    Seat 6: daves2s ($87.75)
    Tuuuuuuut posts the small blind of $0.25
    daves2s posts the big blind of $0.50
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to daves2s [ ]
    mphgph folds
    TheSlinger raises to $1.75
    hardltilted calls $1.75
    Tuuuuuuut raises to $6.75
    daves2s has 15 seconds left to act
    daves2s raises to $16.50
    TheSlinger raises to $82.30, and is all in
    hardltilted has 15 seconds left to act
    hardltilted calls $22, and is all in
    Tuuuuuuut folds
    daves2s has 15 seconds left to act
    daves2s has requested TIME
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