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Weird spot in Nightly 70k on Stars

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  1. fenominal fenominal is offline

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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 12:16am)

    This guy was circling the drain for quite a while and was looking to get it in with a scant of fold equity. I felt like his range was huge, yet I had a solid player behind me (with a bigger stack). We were about 50-60 guys from the money. What do you do here and why?

    pokerstars Game #29233612150: Tournament #169969019, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/06/10 21:05:09 PT [2009/06/11 0:05:09 ET]
    Table '169969019 64' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: CTaylor83 (28270 in chips)
    Seat 2: rbeaz68 (12198 in chips)
    Seat 3: rimpoche80 (19150 in chips)
    Seat 4: blackout4 (21725 in chips)
    Seat 5: gascu (13200 in chips)
    Seat 6: BACIC (7430 in chips)
    Seat 7: Spiker17 (7245 in chips)
    Seat 8: rick95841 (16850 in chips)
    Seat 9: CRDIBL (12035 in chips)
    CTaylor83: posts the ante 50
    rbeaz68: posts the ante 50
    rimpoche80: posts the ante 50
    blackout4: posts the ante 50
    gascu: posts the ante 50
    BACIC: posts the ante 50
    Spiker17: posts the ante 50
    rick95841: posts the ante 50
    CRDIBL: posts the ante 50
    gascu: posts small blind 300
    BACIC: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rick95841 [6c 6d]
    Spiker17: folds
    rick95841: raises 950 to 1550
    CRDIBL: folds
    CTaylor83: calls 1550
    rbeaz68: folds
    rimpoche80: folds
    blackout4: folds
    gascu: folds
    BACIC: raises 5830 to 7380 and is all-in
    rick95841: ??
  2. Nole91 Nole91 is offline

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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 1:01am) in reply to fenominal

    Fold pre- to avoid the exact conundrum presented by the hand as played.

    I'm not a big fan of having to reshove 25 BBs into a potential 3 way pot with 66, only to find yourself in a coinflip at best for 50% of your stack.

    As played, you have to fold.
     
  3. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 1:20am) in reply to Nole91

     
    Originally Posted by Nole91 View Post

    Fold pre- to avoid the exact conundrum presented by the hand as played.

    I'm not a big fan of having to reshove 25 BBs into a potential 3 way pot with 66, only to find yourself in a coinflip at best for 50% of your stack.

    As played, you have to fold.

    Best advice youll get on this forum....fold pre
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  4. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 1:29am) in reply to jtj03

    I dont actually hate an open pre, but this is a pretty clear fold.
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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 1:30am) in reply to ronkend

     
    Originally Posted by ronkend View Post

    I dont actually hate an open pre, but this is a pretty clear fold.

     
  6. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 2:13am) in reply to fenominal

    I agree this is a pretty clear fold pre based on stacks, but I'm not convinced this is an ez fold as played.

    What do we know about the ~45bb stack who's flatted us? His range is likely enormous.

    If we shove, he's gonna have to fold out a giant portion of his range and thus we will be risking an additional ~6k in chips to win a pot of roughly 11250 (prior to our reshove).

    This guy is also reshoving from the bb and has roughly 12bbs so he's obv not only shvoing with pairs bigger than ours. AJ, AQ, AK (he even shows up with KQ/ATs some of the time imo) make up a huge part of his range imo.

    What can the smooth caller reasonably call with here? AQ, TT+? We obv need to discount AK quite a bit here.

    I think its close but I don't think reshoving is as horrible as many here are making it out to be.
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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 2:49am) in reply to fenominal

    lol @ raising UTG +1 with 66. You should be snap folding these in these spots to avoid predicaments like this one. You have a big stack too, so sad you muddle yourself like this. How bad did you get your money in? because I'm sure you did call off half your stack if you had the cojones raise to begin with. Just curious.
  8. MastaP89 MastaP89 is offline

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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 3:04am) in reply to jcpeace

    basedon stacksizes this is a fold pre. there are just too many guys with 12-20bb stacks at the table. and your stack also isnt that great to be raise/folding alot.

    with 30bbs+ i certainly openraise if the table is a bit more stacked

    as played iso shove and fold are both fine i prolly take the nitty side and fold
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  9. fenominal fenominal is offline

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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 7:08pm) in reply to jcpeace

     
    Originally Posted by jcpeace View Post

    lol @ raising UTG +1 with 66. You should be snap folding these in these spots to avoid predicaments like this one. You have a big stack too, so sad you muddle yourself like this. How bad did you get your money in? because I'm sure you did call off half your stack if you had the cojones raise to begin with. Just curious.

    I raise up front with small pairs from time to time to mix up my play to not become so predictable. I woulda raised the same amount with AA or KK here so why is this so funny with 28 bb's? And if it means anything I folded to the shove, the first caller called with 55 and won the pot.
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  10. fenominal fenominal is offline

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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 7:10pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    Thanks Grinder, appreciate you reply.
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  11. firaldo firaldo is offline

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    Jun 11th, 2009 (6/11/2009 7:51pm) in reply to jcpeace

     
    Originally Posted by jcpeace View Post

    lol @ raising UTG +1 with 66. You should be snap folding these in these spots to avoid predicaments like this one. You have a big stack too, so sad you muddle yourself like this. How bad did you get your money in? because I'm sure you did call off half your stack if you had the cojones raise to begin with. Just curious.

    Raising this hand from utg+1 is absolutely fine aslong as stack sizes at the table permit it (yours and opps) as it works as an ep steal and doubles up as a hand with showdown value/set value aswell.

    That said stacksizes in this hand are pretty bad for it as there are a number of reship stacks at the table and i dont think we're deep enough to play the hand profitably post flop when we dont bink our set so im +1 to folding pre.

    As played id say its a fold although i doubt iso is absolutely horrible depending on ur image etc.
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  12. stevie444 stevie444 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 1:51am) in reply to fenominal

    Yeah fold pre. If you are going to open make it smaller and as played I would isoshove vs all but the nittiest of players.
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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 2:45am) in reply to stevie444

     
    Originally Posted by stevie444 View Post

    Yeah fold pre. If you are going to open make it smaller and as played I would isoshove vs all but the nittiest of players.

     
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