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weird spot vs Kjulius WCOOP 52 antes

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  1. Max Tee Max Tee is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2012 (9/20/2012 12:12pm)

    Im an unknown to them, no history and I havent been doin anything out of line at the table so far .. been sitting in this spot for about 50 hands

    ***** Hand History for Game 86426429057 ***** (Poker stars)
    Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 19, 04:23:32 ET 2012
    Table 2012090052 17 (Real Money)
    Seat 7 is the button
    Seat 1: Meth0d Max ( $42005.00 USD )
    Seat 2: uR.Sliver ( $39823.00 USD )
    Seat 3: "0PIGGYBANK" ( $31091.00 USD )
    Seat 4: KJulius10 ( $23795.00 USD )
    Seat 5: FEL777 ( $19557.00 USD )
    Seat 6: RuudGullit ( $24475.00 USD )
    Seat 7: General Tso0 ( $30139.00 USD )
    Seat 8: Ruthless69r ( $44717.00 USD )
    Seat 9: johnny060 ( $42883.00 USD )
    Meth0d Max posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
    uR.Sliver posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
    "0PIGGYBANK" posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
    KJulius10 posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
    FEL777 posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
    RuudGullit posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
    General Tso0 posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
    Ruthless69r posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
    johnny060 posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
    Ruthless69r posts small blind [$300.00 USD].
    johnny060 posts big blind [$600.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Meth0d Max [ Ad Kh ]
    Meth0d Max raises [$1230.00 USD]
    uR.Sliver folds
    "0PIGGYBANK" raises [$1860.00 USD]
    KJulius10 raises [$3445.00 USD]
    FEL777 folds
    RuudGullit folds
    General Tso0 folds
    Ruthless69r folds
    johnny060 folds
    Meth0d Max raises [$5436.00 USD]
    "0PIGGYBANK" folds
    KJulius10 raises [$6495.00 USD]
    Meth0d Max
     
  2. gjallen1975 gjallen1975 is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2012 (9/20/2012 12:43pm) in reply to Max Tee

    hope for QQ or AK but it doesn't look good..... can you fold there.... yeah if you don't post the hand later....
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    Sep 20th, 2012 (9/20/2012 1:01pm) in reply to gjallen1975

    lol, no shame in losing a hand vs kjulius tho...
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  4. TheSquid TheSquid is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2012 (9/20/2012 2:59pm) in reply to flashdisastr

    You should 4 bet a lot bigger vs someone this good and with no dynamic.
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  5. matze_widi matze_widi is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2012 (9/20/2012 3:47pm) in reply to TheSquid

    7555/call i guess ^^
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  6. saukendar saukendar is offline

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    Sep 20th, 2012 (9/20/2012 3:54pm) in reply to matze_widi

    Seat 1: Meth0d Max ( $42005.00 USD )

    Seat 3: "0PIGGYBANK" ( $31091.00 USD )
    Seat 4: KJulius10 ( $23795.00 USD )


    --- Meth0d Max raises [$5436.00 USD]

    I don't understand why you picked this number for your 5-bet vs. these stack sizes. Please explain why something in the 12K to 15K range isn't more appropriate.

    Still learning....
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    Sep 20th, 2012 (9/20/2012 8:29pm) in reply to saukendar

    If I'm willing to 4, 5 or 6 bet here with a premium hand I'm willing to shove. Maybe that is a but spewy but let the chips fall as they may
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    Sep 20th, 2012 (9/20/2012 8:45pm) in reply to yjbrewer

    1230>1860>3445>5436>6495 is this right?
    630,630,1585,1991,959
     
  9. 1RobYou 1RobYou is offline

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    Sep 21st, 2012 (9/21/2012 8:17am) in reply to Pick6man

    yeah i didnt get how he less than min raised
  10. matze_widi matze_widi is offline

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    Sep 21st, 2012 (9/21/2012 8:21am) in reply to 1RobYou

    lol yeah his bet should be at least 7427, didnt even see that
    wtf OP
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  11. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Sep 21st, 2012 (9/21/2012 7:15pm) in reply to matze_widi

    Well it is KJulias who just owns souls on the reg. Dunno why we have a Dr'd HH here but for the sake of this thread hopefully OP clears up a few things.

    When we do find out that info I am curious as to what people think his range is here? You have been tight and are now 5 betting his cold 4b from utg.
     
  12. mattdb9er mattdb9er is offline

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    Sep 21st, 2012 (9/21/2012 8:00pm) in reply to Pick6man

    never 5betting to fold here, and umm how is that sizing correct
    Edited By: mattdb9er Sep 21st, 2012 at 08:04 PM
     
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    Sep 21st, 2012 (9/21/2012 8:13pm) in reply to mattdb9er

    Ya, what really happened?
     
  14. Max Tee Max Tee is offline

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    Sep 22nd, 2012 (9/22/2012 1:48pm) in reply to supra1988t

    yeah so sizing was bad, i agree with that.something like 7500+ is def better . Piggy confused me clicking it back this way and this just looked to me like an iso w/ suited connectors or some shit because im obv a target to them. Julius cold 4b here has to be w/ something real or at least decent, i guess 99+ , ATs+ and maybe some suited Ks like KJs-KQs. So the goal was to basically test his range since it would def be a mistake getting it in vs me w/ nothing but KK or AA ? So yeah in retro, my 5b doesnt accomplish that at all giving him a great price IP. So besides my sizing beeing bad, Id like to hear your guys about piggys and julius ranges for playing hands like this way vs a tight unknown UTG. I ended up folding.. Would he bet almost 1/2 stack (10k of his 23) to fold here when i 7b shove?
    Edited By: Max Tee Sep 22nd, 2012 at 01:50 PM
     
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  15. I_Blade_U I_Blade_U is offline

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    Sep 22nd, 2012 (9/22/2012 2:47pm) in reply to Max Tee

    why are u 5b to fold AK... if ur that scared he has AA or KK just flat... once u put in the 5b couldnt ever imagine folding
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    Sep 22nd, 2012 (9/22/2012 3:28pm) in reply to I_Blade_U

    Why is his sizing so bad? A 5bet to 7500 seems very unnecessary you want to induce him, not make it so that he has no bluffs in his range. I wouldn't be worried about someone this good flatting a 5b regardless of sizing . i think 6-6.5k is fine. At least when you make it less he's more likely to 6b/f. Prob doesn't make a diff since he doesn't know you but in general i can't see 7500+ being optimal, it's just hoping he folds and sigh get it in when he doesn't...i'd be happier to get it in after making it 6.2k because you can expect him to just be coming after you light some of the time, still prob not that relevant if he doesn't know who you are.

    Still as played easy jam or 7b w/e....flat if you're scared he's 6betting and aren't comfortable getting it in.
     
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    Sep 22nd, 2012 (9/22/2012 5:18pm) in reply to EricWRX

    so raising less than min is kjulius's secret
     
  18. EricWRX EricWRX is offline

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    Sep 22nd, 2012 (9/22/2012 5:27pm) in reply to Smiggie Balls

    If OP got the HH from HEM it's pretty standard for sizings to be off. Literally like every 4b+ pot i get from there or BvB the sizings are off
     
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    Sep 22nd, 2012 (9/22/2012 5:29pm) in reply to EricWRX

    No idea why OP would be altering the HH, downloaded the true HH from Stars

    pokerstars Hand #86426429057: Tournament #2012090052, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (300/600) - 2012/09/19 23:23:32 EET [2012/09/19 16:23:32 ET]
    Table '2012090052 17' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Meth0d Max (42005 in chips)
    Seat 2: uR.Sliver (39823 in chips)
    Seat 3: "0PIGGYBANK" (31091 in chips)
    Seat 4: KJulius10 (23795 in chips)
    Seat 5: FEL777 (19557 in chips)
    Seat 6: RuudGullit (24475 in chips)
    Seat 7: General Tso0 (30139 in chips)
    Seat 8: Ruthless69r (44717 in chips)
    Seat 9: johnny060 (42883 in chips)
    Meth0d Max: posts the ante 120
    uR.Sliver: posts the ante 120
    "0PIGGYBANK": posts the ante 120
    KJulius10: posts the ante 120
    FEL777: posts the ante 120
    RuudGullit: posts the ante 120
    General Tso0: posts the ante 120
    Ruthless69r: posts the ante 120
    johnny060: posts the ante 120
    Ruthless69r: posts small blind 300
    johnny060: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Meth0d Max: raises 630 to 1230
    uR.Sliver: folds
    "0PIGGYBANK": raises 630 to 1860
    KJulius10: raises 1585 to 3445
    FEL777: folds
    RuudGullit: folds
    General Tso0: folds
    Ruthless69r: folds
    johnny060: folds
    Meth0d Max: raises 3221 to 6666
    "0PIGGYBANK": folds
    KJulius10: raises 3274 to 9940
    johnny060 said, "just hurry up already"
    johnny060 said, "neither of you are folding"
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Sep 22nd, 2012 at 05:40 PM
    Reason: results removed
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  20. Max Tee Max Tee is offline

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    Sep 22nd, 2012 (9/22/2012 5:39pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    yeah 6666 is what i went for, got the HH from HEM so might explain the incorrect sizing... no point in me changing numbers obv
     
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    Sep 22nd, 2012 (9/22/2012 5:41pm) in reply to Max Tee

    Only looked it up because of the illegal bet in the OP by KJulius.
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  22. double_kyan double_kyan is offline

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    Sep 22nd, 2012 (9/22/2012 6:12pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    are u kidding me im reading this whole thing and than im trying to figure out why u would fold for 1k more.Now the real HH shows up and its completely different.

    i think qq,jj,tt , makes this 6bet play knowing he will get it in no matter what but gives himself an option to represent holding kk,aa

    id rather dance thn 5b fold
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